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Whenever Vanessa talks to math educator and coach Shelby Strong, they end up saying "why didn't we record that, it was basically a podcast!" So today we bring you an actual podcast with Shelby, exploring an absolutely bonkers range of provocative questions like:

• What’s the danger of defining your self-worth by being good at one thing?
• When does enthusiasm/passion cross the line into gatekeeping?
• Why are we vilifying algorithms right now?
• Why do we shame teachers for just trying their best?
• Why is systemic change so hard to enact and adapt to?
• What does rock star Dave Grohl teach us about math?
• And finally, is a hot dog a sandwich?!

If these question spark something in you, let us know below - and share this episode with someone else that needs to hear it!

Things mentioned:

• A Mathematician's Lament by Paul Lockhart
• Erdős number (the "6 degrees of Kevin Bacon" of math)

About Shelby: (Website, Bluesky, Facebook, LinkedIn)

Shelby Strong (Stronger Math) is a math educator and coach who believes math belongs to everyone. She has presented at school districts, regional organizations, and national conferences, including delivering an IGNITE at NCTM in 2024 called "Professional Development Doesn't Have to Suck".

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As you may know, Vanessa and producer David are in a band together, and they're currently writing songs for a new album. The path through writer’s block and their ups and downs as a collaborative team led to some unexpected debates about the creative process that share surprising parallels with the greater discussion around mathematical thinking.

So they hopped on the mic to debate a range of topics like:

• When do tools help vs. hinder?
• Does process matter if the outcome is good?
• Are mathematical and creative thinking similar?
• What is the ultimate core purpose of education?
• Is AI making us more productive or more lazy?

Finally, Vanessa calls up friend and tech-forward educator Jamie Mitchell (without warning to either him or David) to have him chime in on the debate, and it actually was the most coherent part of the episode. Enjoy and let us know if you want to hear a part 2!

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Happy new year! To get in the mindset for a great 2026, here's a motivating episode about one of last year's hottest topics in math ed: student engagement.

Why is it so hard to get students to really engage in the classroom? What does engagement even mean? What can we try differently this year?

In this episode, Vanessa explores four reasons students might not engage in class (and offers tips for each):

1. They don't feel heard (democratize engagement)
2. They don't know how to engage (explain what it is)
3. They think there's no point (create more entry points)
4. Their needs aren't met (don't take it personally)

Let us know if these resonate with you or if there are any that we missed, and most importantly have a great start to the school year!

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Five years ago, Vanessa fell head over heels in love with a Christmas movie. The plot twist? This wasn't one of the countless Hallmark romcoms she actually consumes throughout the year - this was a movie about a little girl who literally saves Christmas with math!

Back then she interviewed Producer Lyn Sisson-Talbert and Writer/Director David E. Talbert about their groundbreaking Netflix film Jingle Jangle, so we’re resharing the conversation today as Christmas approaches.

On that note, we'll be taking a break next week but will be back in your feed Jan 1st to give you some inspiration to make 2026 a great year in the classroom. Until then, happy holidays!!

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Getting students to think is a hot topic - but what does it actually mean? When kids are asked to "show their thinking", can we really blame them for being like "WTF?!?!"

Today on Math Therapy, Vanessa explores the surprising number of ways we can define & interpret "thinking", and shares 5 strategies to demystify it in the classroom:

1. Explain what thinking actually means
2. Normalize that the thought process isn't always quick
3. Give prompts that invite students into a conversation
4. Outer process - talk it out before writing it down
5. Model your own thinking as a teacher

How do YOU define thinking? Let us know below!

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Since our humble (and as you'll find out, quite disorganized) start in 2019, Math Therapy has come a long way ... and today we celebrate our 100th episode!

Join host Vanessa Vakharia and producer David Kochberg (with a cameo from OG MT producer Sabina Wex) as they reminisce and argue about:

• The (mostly) true origin story of Math Therapy
• Where the “final 2 questions” came from
• Fave past episodes
• Dream future guests
• If ChatGPT listens to our show

Whether you've been listening from the start or just finding this show now, thank you for listening and being part of the change we all want to see in math education.

And please please please SHARE this podcast with someone that needs to hear it, and let US know what you want to hear in the next 100 episodes!

Past episodes mentioned:

• What the Blue Jays taught us about math education (Nov 2025)
• Pi Day in Prison (Seriously) (Mar 2023)
• “Dude Walls” & the lost women of science w/ Katie Hafner (May 2022)
• Dancing on the moon w/ Dr. Merritt Moore (Apr 2022)
• Can math predict the Oscars? w/ Ben Zauzmer (Mar 2022)
• How math rehabilitated a murderer w/ Christopher Havens (Jun 2021)
• I’m not a math person, don’t @ me w/ Bex (Jun 2021)
• Recalculating your destiny w/ Miguel Escobar (Jun 2020)
• A mathemagical crisis w/ Jonah Babins (Oct 2019)

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Today we follow-up last week's episode with unfiltered celeb moms Cat and Nat (listen here) by interviewing Nat's daughter Taylor! Currently in Grade 11, she's a wealth of hard-earned wisdom, having taken her education into her own hands to overcome a system that literally told her not to bother even trying.

This ep is overflowing with real lessons right from a student who's been through it all. Taylor describes:

• how being "bad" at math really felt & how she decided to rewrite her narrative
• small supports that made a huge difference, like teachers/tutors talking to her like a real person or literally getting down to her level instead of standing over her in class
• how she wished it hadn't taken so long in her educational journey for adults to simply tell her they believed in her

Teachers, parents, and students can all learn so much from Taylor's story, so share this ep with someone who needs to hear it and get in touch below to let us know how it resonated with you!

About Taylor: (Instagram, TikTok)

Taylor Telfer-Thompson is a high school student who has faced significant struggles with math throughout her education, but has never given up. Her story shows what it looks like to persevere in the face of difficulty, to wrestle with identity, and to keep trying even when math feels impossible.

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From the moment Vanessa met bestselling authors/podcasters Cat and Nat on Breakfast Television, where the 2 moms proudly professed to hate math ... she knew she had to have them on Math Therapy to dig deeper and find out why. They are the definition of unfiltered, so they are a perfect fit!

This interview may be uncomfortable for teachers to hear - honestly, it was difficult for Vanessa at times to not be defensive. But the fact is, we need to know what students and parents are really going through; not just in the classroom but in their entire, completely chaotic modern lives.

About Cat and Nat: (Website, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, YouTube)

Between the two of them, bestselling authors & podcasters Cat & Nat have seven kids, zero down time, and an unshakable belief that motherhood shouldn’t feel like solitary confinement.

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