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In this episode, Fiona Clason, from the University of Stirling Art Collection, talks us through the stories behind the collection, its purpose, its people, and its mission, before diving into the history and significance of Mary Martin’s Wall Construction.

Fiona shares:

• How the University’s art collection began and what makes it unique
• Why art on campus matters for students, staff, and visitors
• How Mary Martin’s Wall Construction came to Stirling
• What makes the piece stand out within the wider collection
• How abstract art communicates through structure, rhythm, and space
• The ongoing work of preservation, interpretation, and community engagement

This episode opens up the world behind the artwork, the decisions, the care, and the conversations that keep collections alive.

You can find out more about the University's art collection here https://www.stir.ac.uk/about/art-collection/

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In this episode, In this episode, writer Francesca Flowers reflects on her father, photographer Adrian Flowers, and the time he spent in the studios of Mary and Kenneth Martin during the 1950s.
Her words are read by Zoe, bringing warmth and clarity to this beautifully written historical insight.

We follow Adrian’s visits to the Martins’ London studio, his fascination with constructionist and abstract art, and the photographs that captured Mary Martin’s quiet intensity and self-effacing presence.

This episode explores:

• Adrian Flowers’ relationship with the post-war art scene
• His photographs of Mary & Kenneth Martin in their studio (1955 onwards)
• How the Martins built upon St Ives modernism
• Mary’s mathematically structured, minimal, rigorous practice
• The creation of Environment for This Is Tomorrow (1956)
• The gifted work Expanding Form and the 1984 Tate retrospective
• Mary Martin’s lasting impact on British modernism

A thoughtful intersection of photography, art history, and personal memory, giving rare context to a crucial moment in post-war British abstraction.

You can find out more about Adrian Flowers here https://adrianflowersarchive.com/

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Artist Audrey Grant joins me for a reflective, quietly powerful conversation about Mary Martin’s Wall Construction and the deeper artistic ideas that run through both women’s work.

Audrey shares how she approaches Wall Construction, the geometry, the stillness, the discipline, the invitation to slow down. We talk about the connections between Mary Martin’s ordered structures and Audrey’s own practice, particularly her interest in presence, attention, and the emotional weight of space.

In this episode we explore:

• What makes Wall Construction such a magnetic work
• How Mary Martin balances precision with feeling
• Why Audrey is drawn to silence, stillness and repetition
• The shared language between their practices
• What happens when you really look at an artwork, without rushing

A thoughtful, intimate episode for anyone who loves abstraction, process, and the hidden layers inside art.

You can find out more about Audrey and her work here https://www.audreygrant.co.uk/

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