On the ABA Law Practice Today podcast, host Terrell Turner talks with Daya Naef, a law firm consultant and small-firm practitioner focused on legal AI and efficiency, about how firms can still train and develop lawyers as AI automates repetitive junior-level work. Daya describes using technology, outsourcing, and automation to free time for more relational client service and more consistent client updates. They discuss how law schools and firms are split between restricting AI (blue books, no laptops) and embracing it with policies, and how generational shifts create new expectations from AI-native lawyers. They also address clients increasingly using free AI tools to challenge legal strategy, raising the importance of judgment training, potential new training models, and the disconnect of firms banning AI while trying to recruit associates, plus resources including an upcoming ABA CLE and related Law Practice Today articles.

00:00 AI Replaces Junior Work
00:32 Podcast Welcome Disclaimer
01:11 Meet Daya Naef
03:06 AI As Opportunity
05:06 Automation For Client Care
07:20 Training Gap In Firms
10:46 Law Schools React To AI
12:38 AI Native Generations
14:02 Clients Using AI Too
15:57 Rethinking Skills Training
16:57 Firms Banning AI
17:46 Where To Find Daya
18:19 CLE And Articles
18:55 Final Thanks Wrap-up

In this Law Practice Today podcast episode, the host discusses careers in animal law with professor and author Yolanda Eisenstein, who explains that modern animal law is largely animal protection law and has expanded significantly through increased legal education, clinics, and new legislation such as pet trusts. Eisenstein describes her path into the field, her teaching experience at SMU and the University of New Mexico, and how animal law spans companion animals, wildlife, farmed animals, federal and local practice, and even international work. She notes that companion animals generally receive the greatest legal protection and emphasizes that practitioners can integrate animal issues into many legal specialties. Eisenstein previews her updated second edition of Careers in Animal Law, advising prospective students to assess whether they truly want to be lawyers and can handle topics like cruelty and compassion fatigue, and predicts the field will keep growing amid biodiversity loss, climate change, and illegal wildlife trafficking.

00:00 Wildlife Trafficking Stakes
00:28 Podcast Intro and Disclaimer
01:07 Why Animal Law Careers
01:53 Origins and Expansion
04:37 Teaching and Practice Paths
06:01 Species and Legal Protections
08:15 Career Options and Locations
09:15 Staying Current in the Field
10:23 Book Advice and Self Fit
12:55 Future of Animal Law
13:54 Where to Find Yolanda
14:36 Closing Remarks

On the Law Practice Today podcast, host Terrell sits down with psychologists Larry and D'Arcy, authors of Thin Skinned, to discuss research on how lawyers differ from the general public and how those differences affect both practice and personal life. Larry describes decades of data collection—first via a nationwide Myers-Briggs study of 3,000+ lawyers and later through 30 years using the Caliper Profile, now totaling nearly 10,000 lawyer assessments—showing seven atypical trait outliers, including high skepticism and notably low resilience and empathy. They explain that some traits are present before law school, while skepticism, resilience, and empathy are largely learned and can shift with time in law-office environments. The episode highlights practical, research-backed ways to build resilience, including reducing cognitive distortions, increasing positive emotions, and strengthening relationships, plus leadership strategies for creating resilience-friendly firm cultures.

00:00 Lawyers Get Thin Skinned
00:20 Podcast Intro Disclaimer
00:58 Meet the Authors
01:44 Larry's Path to Psychology
02:28 D'Arcy Joins the Project
04:15 30 Years of Lawyer Data
06:36 Seven Traits That Stand Out
09:29 Why Lawyers Differ
10:30 Skepticism Lowers Resilience
18:19 Nature, Nurture, and Selection
19:56 Four Buckets of Solutions
20:47 Bucket One Fix Negative Thinking
24:38 Bucket Two Build Positive Emotions
30:01 Bucket Three Relationships Matter
34:17 Where to Learn More
35:05 Final Thanks and Wrap Up

In this Law Practice Today podcast episode, Greg Siskind discusses an ABA book he co-wrote with Jason Susser and Josh Waddell, focused on practical ways lawyers can adopt generative AI in their firms, including how to prioritize projects, find “low-hanging fruit,” decide what to DIY versus hire out, and avoid ethical or operational trouble. Siskind draws parallels to the early days of law firm websites, recounting building one of the first lawyer websites in 1994 and the skepticism and compliance questions that followed. He describes his firm’s earlier AI work starting in 2015 with no-code expert systems and a later pivot in 2022 after an early look at OpenAI through Casetext’s CoCounsel, leading to an immigration-focused generative AI research prototype. The conversation highlights strong use cases like summarization, translation, inbox workflows, marketing tasks, and prompt “recipes,” emphasizing prompts as effective delegation.

00:00 Why Invest in AI
00:31 Podcast Intro and Disclaimer
01:09 Meet Greg Siskind
01:52 Writing a Practical AI Book
03:44 Lessons From 1994 Websites
07:06 Early Web Marketing Advantage
08:50 Law Firm AI Experiments 2015
11:11 First Look at Generative AI
13:55 Practical Use Cases and Prompts
16:09 Prompting Is Delegation
17:16 Where to Find Greg
17:48 Final Thanks and Outro

This special roundup episode of the Law Practice Today podcast brings together three conversations from the first half of 2026 focused on helping law firms build stronger, more resilient, and better-run practices.

First, Stephanie Everett joins Terrell A. Turner in "Building a Healthy and Profitable Law Firm.” She explains why law firm leaders need to understand their numbers, create systems that allow the business to operate without depending on the owner at every moment, and revisit strategy regularly through quarterly planning, annual reviews, and longer-term vision setting.

Next, Shawn Holahan discusses "Disaster Planning for Law Firms.” She emphasizes that professional and ethical responsibilities do not stop during an emergency. From natural disasters and cyber incidents to technology failures and employee disruptions, firms need a clear plan for maintaining operations and communicating with clients when something goes wrong.

Finally, Alexander Paykin joins Terrell for "Picking the Right Legal Tech Tools.” He encourages law firms to look beyond polished demos and technology hype by evaluating tools against their actual workflows, practice-specific needs, security requirements, and expected return on investment. The goal is not simply to adopt more technology, but to choose tools that genuinely save time, improve operations, and support the firm.

Together, these conversations highlight three important parts of running a stronger law firm: building a sustainable business, preparing for disruption, and making smarter operational and technology decisions.

Listen to the Full Conversations:

• Building a Healthy and Profitable Law Firm — Stephanie Everett
• Disaster Planning for Law Firms — Shawn Holahan
• Picking the Right Legal Tech Tools — Alexander Paykin

Episode Chapters
00:00 Special Episode Preview
00:46 Podcast Intro & Disclaimer
01:22 Building a More Resilient Law Firm
02:20 Stephanie Everett: Building a Healthy and Profitable Practice
03:24 Numbers, Systems & Strategy
05:53 Shawn Holahan: Why Disaster Planning Matters
07:07 Ethics and Professional Responsibilities During Disasters
09:07 Building a Reliable Client Communication Plan
10:23 Alexander Paykin: Cutting Through Legal Tech Hype
11:54 How to Stress-Test AI & Technology Tools
13:27 Evaluating the Real ROI of Automation
14:19 Wrap-Up & Full Episode Links

This special roundup episode of the Law Practice Today podcast revisits three conversations from the first half of 2026 focused on helping lawyers strengthen their visibility, relationships, and professional brand.

First, Jason Hennessey joins Terrell A. Turner for “Mastering Law Firm SEO in the Era of AI,” exploring how AI-driven search is reshaping SEO for law firms, why traditional authority signals still matter, and how brand reputation and sentiment are becoming increasingly important as search behavior evolves.

Next, Deb Feder shares a practical approach to business development in “Rethinking Business Development: Small Actions, Stronger Relationships.” She explains how lawyers can make networking and relationship-building more manageable by dedicating just a few minutes each day to simple actions, thoughtful follow-up, and staying consistently connected with the people in their network.

Finally, Marianne Talbot brings a different perspective to professional branding in “Embracing the Punk Rock Principle in Law.” Her approach encourages lawyers to embrace authenticity, experiment with small acts that challenge the expected professional mold, and let go of some of the pressure to appear perfect—creating more room for individuality, energy, and enjoyment in their careers.

Listen to the full conversations:

• Mastering Law Firm SEO in the Era of AI — Jason Hennessey
• Rethinking Business Development: Small Actions, Stronger Relationships — Deb Feder
• Embracing the Punk Rock Principle in Law — Marianne Talbot

Episode Chapters
00:00 Special Roundup Preview
01:07 Podcast Intro & Disclaimer
01:43 Jason Hennessey: How AI Is Changing Search and SEO
02:32 Authority Signals, Links & Brand Sentiment
04:47 Quick SEO Strategies for Law Firms
05:26 Deb Feder: The Five-Minute Business Development Habit
07:52 Simple Daily Networking Actions
09:08 Marianne Talbot: The Punk Rock Branding Mindset
11:07 Letting Go of Perfection to Stand Out
12:42 How Small Acts of Rebellion Build Energy
13:52 Wrap-Up & Full Episode Links

This episode of the Law Practice Today podcast features Terrell A. Turner, CPA's interview with Carol Greenwald, chair of the Law Practice Division Publication Board, about what it really takes to write and publish a book with the ABA. Greenwald shares her background transitioning from academia to law firm consulting focused on communication, and explains that lawyers are trained in law but not always in clear communication with clients and teams. She discusses why people write books (reputation and expertise), how the division selects topics across business, finance, management, marketing, and technology, and why “evergreen” subjects differ from fast-changing topics like AI. Greenwald outlines appropriate and inappropriate uses of AI in writing, the challenges of completing a nonfiction book on deadline, and how to pitch a book idea to the Pub Board via a questionnaire process.

00:00 Writing Sounds Like You
00:34 Podcast Intro Disclaimer
01:13 Why Write With ABA
01:53 Carol Greenwald Background
04:27 Lawyer Communication Gaps
06:06 How People Remember
07:51 Why Books Build Credibility
09:06 Evergreen Versus AI Topics
09:30 Choosing ABA Book Topics
11:51 Clients Getting Tougher
14:04 AI And Copyright Limits
14:34 Using AI The Right Way
17:29 What Makes Books Valuable
20:30 Writing For Different Learners
22:11 Guiding Readers With Breadcrumbs
23:37 Publishing Goals And Deadlines
25:23 Finishing A Book Is Hard
28:32 How To Pitch The Pub Board
29:31 Wrap Up And Thanks

On the Law Practice Today podcast, Terrell A. Turner, CPA speaks with David Arato, owner of Lexicon Legal Content, about law firm marketing and SEO as AI overviews and AI platforms reshape how clients find lawyers. Arato explains that while AI is a major shift, many fundamentals still apply: clean sites, valuable content, and omnichannel presence, with today’s emphasis on frequent, fresh, conversational content, technical elements like schema markup, and building authority through libraries of content, backlinks, and third-party mentions (including sources like Reddit). He notes that AI overviews now trigger for many legal searches, devaluing traditional #1 organic rankings and making AI citations critical for traffic and leads. He also defines common acronyms (SEO, AIO, GEO, AEO) and argues “zero-effort” AI content has “zero value,” warning of amplified misinformation and compliance risks.

00:00 AI Content Ranking Reality
00:20 Podcast Welcome Disclaimer
00:59 Meet David Arato
02:00 From Law School to SEO
04:05 Is AI a Seismic Shift
06:38 Winning AI Overviews
10:27 SEO Timelines and PR Signals
13:44 New SEO Acronyms Explained
15:19 Zero Effort Content Trap
19:55 Misinformation and Compliance Risks
20:37 Where to Find David
21:06 Final Wrap Up