On the Law Practice podcast, host Terrell Turner welcomes back Deb Feder, a former big law and in-house lawyer turned consultant, to discuss practical business development and client relationship strategies for lawyers. Feder explains her approach to business development as three parts: growing your network, nurturing relationships, and sharing expertise, emphasizing that it’s often overcomplicated and can be done in small daily actions. She encourages simple, human connections (starting with “hello”), asking better client-focused questions, and avoiding assumptions, such as making AI the center of every client conversation; instead, lawyers should gauge clients’ interest and use AI tools thoughtfully without sacrificing trust. Feder advises building habits early and shares quick examples like check-ins, follow-ups after conferences, and keeping topic lists, along with a monthly calendar of five-minute tasks available on her website.

00:00 Five Minute Business Development
00:23 Podcast Welcome and Disclaimer
01:01 Meet Deb Feder
01:33 From Lawyer to Consultant
03:11 Why Client Questions Matter
05:00 Business Development Basics
07:12 Stop Overcomplicating Networking
10:29 AI in Client Conversations
15:16 Build the Daily Habit
16:38 Five Minute Task Ideas
18:06 Resources and Wrap Up

On the Law Practice podcast, host Terrell interviews career coach and former attorney Dena Lefkowitz about navigating a legal career without burning out. Dena shares how, after over 20 years practicing law, she realized law school didn’t prepare lawyers for the business of law—networking, marketing, and sales—and that lawyers themselves must generate business. She describes feeling embarrassed after discovering that litigation was a poor fit for her personality and values, and warns against “doubling down” on past decisions when a role harms your health or life. Dena explains using values and the five-factor personality traits (openness, conscientiousness, extroversion/introversion, agreeableness, neuroticism) to evaluate fit, and discusses finding outlets or pivots when misaligned. She recounts a back injury that prompted a change to in-house counsel work aligned with her values, and highlights her book, "Winning in Your Own Court."

00:00 Lawyers Are Miserable
00:12 Podcast Intro Disclaimer
00:50 Meet Dena Lefkowitz
01:33 Two Things Law School Missed
02:23 Wrong Practice Area Realization
04:20 Embarrassment And Sunk Costs
06:17 Trapped By Lifestyle Choices
07:50 Values Driven Career Pivot
08:50 Big Five Personality Factors
10:32 Misalignment And Mental Health
13:00 Injury Forced A Change
14:24 Book Title And Key Laws
15:44 How To Contact Dena
16:15 Final Thanks And Outro

Live at the ABA TECHSHOW, host Terrell interviews Jay McAllister of Paragon Tech about how law firms should evaluate legal technology, especially AI, with a skeptical, results-driven approach. Jay explains that marketing hype often overstates capabilities, using software “integrations” as an example, where firms must check whether syncing is unidirectional or bidirectional. He ties vendor due diligence to lawyers’ duty of competence, urging firms to understand the benefits and risks of new tech and to ask what large language model powers a tool and, more importantly, what primary legal data sources it uses to reduce hallucinations. Jay describes Paragon’s “Leverage AI” framework, starting with identifying a firm’s limiting operational constraint, and shares a case where a custom GPT cut discovery chronology work from over an hour to five minutes with human verification.

00:00 Live From TECHSHOW
00:20 Meet Jay And Paragon
00:58 Why Stay Skeptical
01:24 Integration Claims Explained
02:57 Vendor Due Diligence
03:35 Ai Model Hype Check
05:59 Ask About Data Sources
08:45 Leverage AI Framework
09:14 Case Study Discovery Timeline
10:49 Human In The Loop
11:51 Pick The Right Tool
12:50 Show Floor Wrap Up
13:36 Closing Thanks