What does it take to go from preaching sermons to leading high-risk FBI tactical operations?

In this powerful episode of Spirits and Stories, Donald Dunn sits down with Eric Robinson — former FBI Special Agent, 15-year SWAT operator, and national security investigator — to unpack what really happens behind the scenes in counterterrorism, civil rights investigations, tactical entries, and high-stakes interrogations.

Eric shares:

• His unexpected transition from Baptist pastor to FBI agent

• How FBI investigations actually work behind the curtain

• The truth about domestic vs. international terrorism threats

• What SWAT operations look like in real life (not Hollywood)

• The psychology behind interrogating violent offenders

• Why rapport-building beats torture every time

• The emotional toll of crimes against children cases

• The evolution of surround-and-call-out tactical methods

• The mindset required to operate in high-risk environments

We also dive into the story behind his upcoming book, Irreverent (working title: Preacher to Breacher) — a raw, honest look at faith, federal law enforcement, leadership, and identity.

If you’re interested in the FBI, SWAT tactics, counterterrorism, law enforcement leadership, military transition, or the psychology of interrogation, this episode will challenge what you think you know.

🎙 Hosted by Donald Dunn

📚 Book release coming Fall

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Links referenced in this episode:

1. amazon.com
2. weavinginfluence.com