Kat and Holly dig into how Colby Vinson was pushed out of his own child’s life through escalating control, false narratives, and a custody fight that stopped being about a child and became about winning. The girls get fired up about the effects gatekeeping has on children, and how it can ruin lives.

They break down how ordinary parenting was reframed as a threat, how access became leverage, and how resentment curdled into something far more dangerous.

The case shows what happens when gatekeeping turns into a weapon, when control matters more than consequences, and when no one steps in before the damage is permanent.

This episode takes a swan dive into the lies, manipulation, and unchecked audacity of Pamela Hupp — a woman who somehow kept surviving tragedy while everyone around her didn’t.

Kat and Holly dig in together, peeling back every version of Pamela’s story, from the “concerned friend” act to the insurance policies, the conveniently timed deaths, and the confidence that let her keep rewriting reality in real time. We trace how her narratives shifted, why investigators missed what was right in front of them, and how charm and certainty bought her far more time than she ever should’ve had.

This isn’t a surface-level recap. It’s a deep dive into how a story can be controlled, how systems hesitate, and how one person exploited both — over and over again. Together, we follow the trail until it finally collapses under its own weight.

If you like your true crime thorough, sharp, and completely allergic to excuses, buckle up — this one gets ugly fast.

Producer note: **We, unfortunately, had to unpublish and re-upload this episode due to a Spotify technical issue. Rest assured, this episode will play smoothly from now on. Sorry for any inconvenience**

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The Cleveland Torso Murders

Between 1934 and 1938, bodies began appearing across Cleveland—dismembered, decapitated, and left in public places to be found. The violence wasn’t subtle. The patterns weren’t hidden. And yet, the case collapsed under its own chaos.

In this episode of Hot Mess Murder Club, Kat and Holly break down the Cleveland Torso Murders—also known as the Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run—and expose how nonstop police activity replaced actual investigative strategy. Victims were reduced to labels instead of names. Evidence was fragmented across precincts. Patterns were documented but never connected. And political pressure turned panic into policy.

From unidentified victims like the Tattooed Man and the Lady of the Lake, to the arrival of Eliot Ness and his headline-driven “solutions,” this case shows how an investigation can look busy, burn neighborhoods, and still go absolutely nowhere.

This isn’t a mystery about a brilliant killer.
It’s a case study in what happens when no one is required to prove they’re doing their job.

🔥 Why this case is a Hot Mess:
Victims were dehumanized.
Patterns were ignored.
Evidence was scattered.
Politics replaced accountability.
And failure became routine.

New episodes drop every Monday.
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