Scale too slow… and you stall. Scale too fast… and you break! Where’s the sweet spot? In this episode, Sasha Berson welcomes Mary Ellen Murrah of Vista Consulting to talk about org charts, mid-level leadership, and the systems your law firm needs to grow faster. You’ll discover how to create a strong accountability culture, build KPIs, and (as a bonus!) run a really cool “vacation test” for your employees. Watch now!

📰 About Mary Ellen Murrah:

Mary Ellen Murrah is a brilliant law firm strategist and Chief Strategy & Marketing Officer at Vista Consulting Team. Drawing on 16+ years of experience working with personal injury firms across the U.S., she helps owners resolve their intake breakdowns, build rock-solid leadership layers, and grow their firms with way more clarity and control.

👉 Sasha and Mary explore:

— Why most law firm owners struggle to scale (hint: a broken org chart is usually the culprit)

— How intake leakages are quietly destroying your marketing ROI

— The real meaning of “manage by numbers”: which reports actually matter

— Why mid-level leadership (COO, Director of Intake, HR) is your ticket to freedom and growth

— How to choose a sustainable growth pace (do not compare to the firm down the street)

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Run the “vacation test.” Step away for a few days and track what breaks — that’s where your org chart needs fixing.

— Audit your intake conversion. Small improvements can dramatically lower your cost per signed case.

— Stop managing by gut feel. Identify 3–5 core numbers (intake, conversion, case flow) and review them weekly.

— Add one layer of leadership. Even a single mid-level role (intake, ops, or HR) can free up time and stabilize growth.

If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a review and subscribe so you never miss an episode. For more information and links to all of the resources mentioned in today’s episode, visit https://growlaw.co/

📞 Connect with Mary Ellen Murrah:

• Website: https://vistact.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maryellenmurrah/

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw

• Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Do you need massive budgets, billboards, or TV ads to grow? Not quite! In this episode, Sasha Berson sits down with Laura Ramos James, a brilliant Texas PI lawyer who built a multi–million dollar law firm on an initial $20,000/year marketing budget, and NO office or staff. Laura breaks down how Facebook groups, nonprofits, and identity-driven branding became her secret weapon to earning 6- and 7-figure cases.

📰 About Laura Ramos James:

Laura Ramos James is an award-winning personal injury attorney and founder of Ramos James Law. Recognized as a 2025 “Changemaker” and a multi-year Super Lawyers Rising Star, Laura has won hundreds of high-stakes injury cases — including multiple seven-figure recoveries — emerging as a trusted advocate for Spanish-speaking and disadvantaged communities across Texas.

👉 Sasha and Laura explore:

— How Laura grew a multi–million-dollar firm on a $20K budget with no office or staff

— How to land 6- and 7-figure cases through Facebook groups

— The identity-based marketing strategy that builds valuable connections

— How nonprofits are a powerful engine for brand visibility and referrals

— The shift from lawyer to CEO — and why your brand must outgrow you

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Identify your identity groups (culture, hobbies, parent or faith circles) and start engaging with them.

— Spend 3–5 hours weekly in local Facebook groups correcting misinformation and answering questions.

— Partner with nonprofits and offer free education; small rooms often outperform big budgets.

— Build a multi-channel foundation early so your brand isn’t dependent on a single marketing source.

— Shift from “lawyer doing everything” to CEO building systems — delegate legal and admin work so your brand can scale.

If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a review and subscribe so you never miss an episode. For more information and links to all of the resources mentioned in today’s episode, visit https://growlaw.co/

📞 Connect with Laura Ramos James:

• Website: https://www.ramosjames.com/laura-ramos-james/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-ramos-james/

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw

• Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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AI was supposed to make life easier… so why is it burying some law firms? In this episode, Sasha Berson chats with law firm coach Brian Glass to expose the hidden downsides of AI: how it’s quietly killing your visibility, complicating SEO, and steering prospects toward competitors. But don’t panic. You’ll also learn how Brian’s firm generates 80% of revenue from one GREAT lead source, and (as a bonus!) how he lowers case acquisition costs.

📰 About Brian Glass:

Brian Glass is a personal injury attorney and partner at Ben Glass Law in Fairfax, Virginia. He has coached 100+ law firm owners, helping them build practices that deliver real profit, predictable referrals, and a better quality of life. Known for landmark results (including Virginia’s largest DUI punitive verdict), Brian’s mission is to help lawyers thrive inside and outside the office.

👉 Sasha and Brian explore:

— How to survive in a world where AI is rapidly shrinking visibility on Google.

— Why over-automation is killing trust by replacing humans a little too quickly.

— How 60% of cases and 80% of revenue could come from trusted relationships.

— Why low-budget SEO is a trap — $2,500 retainers rarely move the needle.

— If offline marketing is back: use simple tools like postcards, lunches, and advisory relationships to drive leads.

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Audit your AI visibility with a tool like AI Grader to see whether tools like ChatGPT are recommending your firm.

— Call your own intake line (or have a friend do it) to check response speed, tone, and follow-through.

— Schedule referral lunches with high-trust professionals (chiropractors, doctors, CPAs).

— Review your client touchpoints and replace one automated or AI-generated interaction with a real human moment.

If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a review and subscribe so you never miss an episode. For more information and links to all of the resources mentioned in today’s episode, visit https://growlaw.co/

📞 Connect with Brian Glass:

• Website: https://www.benglasslaw.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fairfaxpersonalinjury/

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw

• Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Think you need more leads? Think again. In this episode, Sasha Berson connects with Michael Patrick Strauch, a leading legal sales expert, to expose the hidden gaps that are silently killing your signed case numbers. Michael breaks down how top firms consistently convert 2–3x more clients from the same lead flow by changing how their intake teams connect, communicate, and close.

📰 About Michael Patrick Strauch:

Michael is a legal sales expert who works exclusively with law firms on optimizing intake, consultations, and closing. As Partner at Your Practice Mastered, a firm founded in 2009 that has helped 1,000+ law firms scale, he trains non-attorney closers to consistently hit 65–85% set rates and 60–80% close rates. His mission: build law firms that grow without the owner carrying every role and every sale.

👉 Sasha and Michael explore:

— AI vs. human intake: when automation works and when it kills conversions

— Why most intake teams never ask the right questions

— The hidden cost of “hot transfers”… and what converts better

— How to rescue the 30% of prospects who book but never show

— Data every law firm must track weekly to stay profitable

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Have intake build an emotional connection before scheduling the consult.

— Track set + close rates weekly and aim for 65–85% set and 60–80% close consistently.

— Implement a 10–12 touch follow-up workflow across calls, text, and email.

— Put trained non-attorney closers in charge of consultations.

— Use AI only to support reminders and routing — never as the first human touch.

If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a review and subscribe so you never miss an episode. For more information and links to all of the resources mentioned in today’s episode, visit https://growlaw.co/

📞 Connect with Michael Patrick Strauch:

• Website: https://www.theclosingroom.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-strauch-mps-28403864/

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw

• Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Most law firms are bleeding talent — especially women — because Big Law is still obsessed with 80-hour weeks. In this episode, Sasha Berson chats with Leslee Cohen, who built a powerhouse Chicago firm by hiring top lawyers with one shared deal-breaker: they refused to sacrifice life for their career. Big Law said no. Leslee said yes — and it changed everything. She reveals how her team delivers elite work, maintains sky-high retention, and has a culture people genuinely love.

📰 About Leslee Cohen:

Leslee Cohen is a brilliant corporate and M&A attorney with 30+ years of deal-making experience, including 20 years in Big Law on Wall Street. Today, she runs AllRise Legal Counsel — a fast-growing firm that pairs top-tier legal talent with a flexible culture that Big Law can’t compete with. Her mission: help founders raise capital, scale fast, and land life-changing exits, without the burnout.

👉 Sasha and Leslee explore:

— The main reason women leave Big Law, and how your firm can be the solution

— A zero-turnover hiring model that any firm can copy

— Why flexibility is now a competitive advantage in the legal world

— How to attract elite lawyers without paying Big Law salaries

— The culture shift that makes teams “go the extra mile” automatically

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Audit your team’s flexibility needs (confidential 1:1 convos — ask what they actually need)

— Fix recognition gaps by implementing weekly shout-outs or wins

— Stop résumé-gap bias by recruiting on experience and alignment, not perfect timelines

— Measure retention like a profit metric (track tenure, replacement costs, lost productivity)

— Allow ownership to let your team suggest improvements, and implement the good ones immediately

If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a review and subscribe so you never miss an episode. For more information and links to all of the resources mentioned in today’s episode, visit https://growlaw.co/

📞 Connect with Leslee Cohen:

• Website: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leslee-cohen/

• LinkedIn: https://www.allriselawyers.com/

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw

• Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Imagine signing 1,200 clients a month, without burning out OR hiring like crazy. In this episode, Sasha Berson sits down with Sam Mollaei, a 37-year-old attorney who runs 6 law firms (yes, 6)! Together, they break down the formula that lets Sam land as many as 1,200 clients every month — fueled by social media ads, airtight systems, and a team empowered by AI. Don’t let the market eat you alive. Tune in now.

📰 About Sam Mollaei:

Sam Mollaei is a serial law firm entrepreneur and CEO of 6 AI-powered law firms. After helping 1,400+ firms scale and automate — and signing up 70,000+ clients himself — he now builds and invests in high-growth legal brands at Tov Law Group. His focus: autonomous law firms that use marketing, automation, and AI to deliver lean teams and real profitability.

👉 Sasha and Sam explore:

— Why social media ads are the *best* client acquisition tool

— Survival Rate: The new KPI that exposes revenue leaks most lawyers never notice

— How top firms confidently spend up to 33% on case acquisition — and stay wildly profitable

— The blueprint behind 1,200+ clients/month (with systems any firm can copy)

— Why AI will run 80–90% of law firm operations sooner than you think

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Every week, audit where every lead, qualified lead, and signed client comes from

— Fix responsiveness and doc collection to instantly boost revenue from clients you already signed

— Use AI to shrink overhead and eliminate the bottlenecks slowing you down

— Confidently invest up to 1/3 of a case’s value when cases prove profitable

If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a review and subscribe so you never miss an episode. For more information and links to all of the resources mentioned in today’s episode, visit https://growlaw.co/

📞 Connect with Sam Mollaei:

• Website: https://mollaeilaw.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sammollaei/

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw

• Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Think you know SEO? Think again! In this episode, Sasha Berson sits down with Chris Dreyer, CEO of Rankings.io, to uncover how AI search tools like ChatGPT — that now own 27% of search traffic — are shaking up the legal marketing world! From E-E-A-T to Justia and Yelp, Chris reveals the new rules of visibility today. Discover how to compete and win in the age of AI.

📰 About Chris Dreyer:

Chris Dreyer is the CEO and Founder of Rankings.io, an award-winning SEO agency helping elite personal injury law firms dominate Google’s first page. As a leading voice in legal marketing, Chris is also the host of the Personal Injury Mastermind podcast. He has dedicated his career to helping attorneys break through the noise and build the kind of firms that change lives — including their own.

👉 Sasha and Chris explore:

— How ChatGPT and AI search are reshaping law firm SEO.

— Why 27% of all legal search traffic has shifted away from Google (and what’s next).

— The new ranking factors: E-E-A-T, case results, and third-party credibility.

— Why directories like Yelp and Justia are skyrocketing and how to use them.

— The future of visibility: mastering Search Everywhere Optimization before your competitors do.

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Audit your website today: make sure your case results page is updated and syndicated to trusted third-party sites.

— Strengthen your E-E-A-T — add author bios, showcase credentials, and highlight experience on every major page.

— Claim and optimize your profiles on Justia, Yelp, and Avvo.

— Meet with your marketing team this week to discuss an AI search readiness plan. Don’t wait until competitors outrank you.

If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a review and subscribe so you never miss an episode. For more information and links to all of the resources mentioned in today’s episode, visit https://growlaw.co/

📞 Connect with Chris Dreyer:

• Website: https://chrisdreyer.co/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdreyerco

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw

• Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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Stop telling your associates to “just get out there.” In this episode, Sasha Berson sits down with Steve Fretzin to pinpoint what it takes to get your team to bring in business nonstop. Steve breaks down why most firms fail at business development (hint: it’s not because they’re lazy), and how a quietly toxic culture is killing your firm. Bonus: Get a few hard-hitting numbers (like how much every $10K case should cost to acquire).

📰 About Steve Fretzin:

Steve Fretzin is one of the world’s top business development coaches for attorneys — and a man who knows how to use second chances. After surviving a plane crash, Steve dedicated his life to helping lawyers take control of their careers, master client acquisition, and become the trusted advisor clients can’t live without. He’s the host of the BE THAT LAWYER podcast, hitting 500+ episodes and reaching listeners in 50+ countries.

👉 Sasha and Steve explore:

— Don’t wing business development — study the game first.

— Culture, transparency, and leadership beat bonuses every time.

— Pay fairly for case acquisition (15% is your magic number).

— Every year, remove a hat — don’t keep adding them.

— The fastest path to growth: Get a coach who’s already done it.

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Audit your team’s comp plan, and add clear origination credit for new business.

— Pick one role to delegate this year and commit to removing that hat for good.

— Choose one area of your firm to improve and hire a specialized coach to fast-track it.

— Create transparency: publish how bonuses, promotions, and goals are measured.

If you enjoyed today’s show, please leave a review and subscribe so you never miss an episode. For more information and links to all of the resources mentioned in today’s episode, visit https://growlaw.co/

📞 Connect with Steve Fretzin:

• Website: https://fretzin.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevefretzin

• Podcast: https://fretzin.com/podcast/

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grow_law/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@growlaw

• Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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