Daniel Rock did not choose sales. He was an IT manager who realized he liked the business problem more than the technology, phoned his own telecom account manager, and six weeks later was selling IT with no sales experience at all. Twenty years on he is chief revenue officer at Suite Files, and his argument is that curiosity, not polish, is what separates good sellers from replaceable ones. In this episode of Ground Control, the podcast on AI, proposals, and governance sponsored by RocketDocs, hosts Perry Robinson and Bryan Jenkins talk with Daniel about why most reps ask a list of discovery questions and never the question after that, what AI is genuinely good at versus where it quietly invents commitments your product cannot keep, the real cost of stale answer libraries and security questionnaires, and how to write a follow up that is not "just checking in." His line for the whole thing: curiosity is a salesperson's superpower.

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→ Work with Daniel: https://danielrock.co

→ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielrock/

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Most B2B proposals lose before anyone reads a word of the pricing. In this episode of Ground Control, the podcast on AI, proposals, and governance sponsored by RocketDocs, host Perry Robinson talks with Will Leach, best-selling author of Marketing to Mind States and founder and CEO of the Mind State Group. A former military engineer turned behavioral scientist, Will spent 25 years studying why people really buy and the answer is almost never the reason they give you.

The core lesson: 95% of decisions are made below conscious awareness, inside temporary emotional states Will calls mind states. Identify the four factors behind one goals, motivation, regulatory approach, and cognitive biases and you can write a proposal, email, or RFP response that fits how the reader actually decides, instead of competing on features.

Along the way Will covers the PULL framework for qualifying real opportunities, how he uses AI to embed psychological cues in his deliverables, the graphic-novel trick that makes buyers feel like the hero, selling to committees you never meet, and Bevi, his behavioral intelligence system that lets brands ask a virtual customer what it thinks. His closing line: all we did was put science around intuition.

Connect with Will Leach

Work with Will: https://mindstategroup.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/will-leach/

Get the book (Marketing to Mind States): https://a.co/d/0cnopkoY

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An AI assistant that gave itself a phone number, and a startup that let a bot buy a $40,000 Davos delegacy.

Host Perry Robinson and RocketDocs AI practitioner Bryan Jenkins use those stories to show that teams are adopting AI faster than they are governing it. They cover vendor diligence, data sovereignty, and the new Sovrinty partnership. The mantra: policy is a promise, architecture is a guarantee.

Episode Chapters

00:00 Welcome + what's to come

00:25 What today's episode covers

00:58 AI adoption versus AI governance

02:11 The IAPP and EY study: 77% working on it, 57% not in control

03:59 Most people do not know how their AI handles data

04:45 Open-agent tools and losing control of AI

05:39 The assistant that gave itself a phone number

06:50 The startup AI that bought a $40k Davos delegacy

07:51 Marketing security claims versus reality

09:26 When "secure" is just a contract, and terms change

10:44 Read the privacy policy, not the marketing

13:15 You are the data: cheap AI, big deficits, lock-in

14:13 Trusting AI answers you know are wrong

15:35 Prompt injection in resumes and the proposal space

16:29 Both sides use AI: answering and evaluating RFPs

17:26 Asking ChatGPT how to evaluate AI vendors, and itself

19:34 Vendors that deflect the data flow question

20:58 ChatGPT's own no-go indicators

23:33 Why de-identified and aggregated is not enough

24:55 Court cases, legal holds, and "once it is out, it is out"

26:02 Policy is a promise, architecture is a guarantee

26:50 Contract terms flowing down: a financial services example

27:49 The overnight scramble to re-qualify a vendor

28:39 Coming enforcement actions and downstream fines

29:42 Defining data sovereignty

32:29 How little control most people actually have

33:37 Better AI results from controlling what it sees

35:18 Source citations and countering hallucination

36:06 Introducing Sovrinty: keeping knowledge current and approved

39:00 Portability, Glean, and 150 fractured repositories

41:27 Sovrinty versus Snowflake

45:29 Closing checklist: do real diligence, do not just rely on AI

46:40 Invest now in accurate AI sources

47:20 SOC 2 scope: is the AI even covered?

48:51 Ask for a data flow diagram and the vendor's AI contract terms

51:23 Think different: stay skeptical of AI

52:07 Keep your company's unique voice

53:15 Wrap-up and a call for listener stories

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