In this episode of Follow the Pull, Wendy Kim sits down with Pam Dwyer to talk about intuition, trauma, healing, people-pleasing, and learning how to move toward a life that feels more aligned. Pam shares how growing up in an abusive environment taught her to read the room, adapt quickly, and survive, and how those same instincts later became skills she had to understand differently as an adult.
Pam opens up about the long process of rebuilding her sense of identity through therapy, journaling, and writing. After years of hearing that she should become a writer, she eventually began following that pull, using storytelling as a way to process her past, find her voice, and help other people feel less alone.
Wendy and Pam also explore people-pleasing and the cost of constantly becoming what other people need. Pam explains that every “yes” creates a “no” somewhere else, and that learning to value your own emotions, needs, and energy is essential to creating a life that actually belongs to you.
The conversation then moves into Pam’s idea of quiet depletion—the slow loss of energy that can happen before full burnout. She explains that rest and recovery do not have to mean a major vacation; sometimes a few intentional minutes of quiet, movement, breathing, or stepping outside can help interrupt the cycle before things get worse.
In this episode:
● The difference between survival instinct and intuition
● Growing up in an abusive environment
● Learning to read the room from a young age
● Healing through therapy and journaling
● Following the pull toward writing
● Taking small steps through fear
● Asking, “What is this costing me?”
● Recovering from people-pleasing
● Why every yes creates a no
● Learning to value your own emotions
● Recognizing quiet depletion before burnout
● Why rest and recovery matter
● Using small intentional pauses to reset
● Taking action one small step at a time
● Following a purpose that feels aligned
Pam’s story is a reminder that the patterns that once helped us survive do not always have to lead us forever. By getting curious, listening inward, and taking small intentional steps, we can begin to move toward a life that feels more like our own.