Today's guest is Djamel Mohand, a Rocket Internet alumnus who landed in Saudi Arabia over a decade ago, back when relocating to the Kingdom for tech was rather less fashionable than it is today. What was supposed to be a six-month stint turned into ten years of building businesses across the region, most notably as COO at Foodics, where he helped scale the restaurant management platform to over 30,000 restaurants across 25 countries.

Earlier this year he stepped away to start something new: Governata, a Saudi-based data governance platform that just raised a $4 million seed round from investors including Joa Capital, Sanabil Accelerator by 500 Global, and Plug and Play. Data governance is not exactly the sexiest pitch in the world, and Djamel will be the first to admit it. But his thesis is essentially this: everyone is talking about AI adoption, but very few organisations have their data house in order to actually make it work. Governata is positioning itself as that foundational layer, the Arabic-first, Saudi-built platform designed to get enterprises AI-ready rather than just AI-curious.

We get into the Rocket Internet origin story, what he learned scaling Foodics, and why the gap between having a data policy and actually implementing one is where the real opportunity lies.

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Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction

03:00 - From France to Saudi: Djamel's Origin Story

05:30 - Rocket Internet Baptism of Fire

08:00 - The Culture of Extreme Fairness

10:30 - The First Ride Hailing Wars

15:00 - Pricing Agility as a Competitive Weapon

17:30 - Kitopi: 400 Employees in Nine Months

21:00 - How Saudi's Regulatory Approach Actually Works

25:00 - Discovering the Data Governance Problem

32:00 - Leaving Foodics to Start Governata

43:30 - The Enterprise Sales Playbook

53:00 - Arabic-First and Global Ambitions

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Alina Truhina is a Co-Founder and Managing Partner at Utopia Capital Management, a platform spanning VC funds and a venture studio investing across emerging markets. The firm operates Atypical Ventures, a Middle East-plus fund covering Turkey and Pakistan, Radical Fund focused on climate in Southeast Asia, and the recently launched UTOPIA Studio – an AI-native company builder that both creates new ventures and re-engineers portfolio companies for scale. Based in Doha, the firm recently partnered with the Qatar Investment Authority as one of the first international VCs to receive backing from its $1B Fund of Funds program.

Born in Europe during the Soviet era, Alina's family moved to Australia as political refugees – an experience that shaped her conviction that talent in emerging markets deserves the same access to capital and networks available in the West. This led her to build investment vehicles across Africa, South Asia, and Southeast Asia, evolving from impact grants to blended finance and now to a fully integrated venture studio model designed to take founders from idea to Series A in under 24 months.

She joins the podcast to discuss why copying and pasting Western VC models to the Global South is a recipe for failure, the "Problem-Oriented Deep Dives" (PODs) framework she uses to identify category-defining opportunities, why climate adaptation is the overlooked half of the climate crisis, and her contrarian view that the standard "2 and 20" VC fee structure is fundamentally broken for emerging markets.

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Timestamps:

00:00:00 – Introduction
00:05:00 – The Utopia Platform: Funds, Studio & Structure
00:07:30 – Why Emerging Markets?
00:09:45 – Personal Journey: From Refugee to VC
00:13:00 – Climate Investing: Mitigation vs. Adaptation
00:20:00 – Building Category-Defining Companies with AI
00:23:00 – PODs: Problem-Oriented Deep Dives
00:25:30 – The Venture Studio Model
00:29:00 – What Makes a Great Founder?
00:31:30 – Why Doha as HQ & The QIA Partnership
00:43:00 – What Makes a Good Investor?
00:50:30 – Biggest Misconception About Emerging Markets

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Rami Tabbara is the Co-Founder and Co-CEO of Stake, a digital real estate investment platform that democratizes access to property markets in Dubai, Saudi Arabia, and the United States. Allowing users to invest fractionally from as little as 500 dirhams, Stake has grown into a fintech powerhouse with over 2 million downloads, users in 170 countries, and nearly 1.4 billion dirhams transacted on the platform. The company is backed by regional heavyweights including Mubadala, Wa'ed Ventures, and Property Finder.

Before founding Stake, Rami spent over 16 years in the trenches of Dubai’s real estate sector, witnessing how high capital requirements locked out most investors – that he identified the need for a transparent, digital, and affordable entry point. He launched the business during the height of the Covid-19 lockdowns with childhood best friend Manar Mahmassani and later Ricardo Brizido, navigating early regulatory hurdles to build a platform that now pays out over 60 million dirhams in rental income annually.

Rami joins the podcast to discuss why he considers Dubai to be a "co-founder" rather than just a city, the brutal lesson of losing his first four hires by faking a "cool startup" culture, why work-life balance is a myth if you want massive outcomes, and the company's aggressive roadmap into 2026 – including the launch of "Stake One" for full home ownership and his pragmatic approach to real estate tokenization

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Timestamps:

00:00 — The "Binance for Real Estate" vision

03:32 — What is Stake? Investing with 500 Dirhams

05:59 — Rami’s background: 16 years in Dubai real estate

10:02 — Launching during COVID and finding the right co-founders

11:43 — The first (and terrible) MVP

14:58 — Why there isn’t a "Robinhood of Real Estate" yet

18:31 — Will technology replace real estate brokers?

20:58 — The algorithm: Rejecting 90% of property deals

24:00 — Stake One: Buying full homes digitally

27:44 — Scaling globally: US Logistics funds and Saudi expansion

31:54 — Startup Culture: Why work-life balance is a "myth"

34:31 — Managing the Co-CEO dynamic without ego

37:48 — The Property Finder partnership explained

41:27 — Tokenization and the future of the blockchain

45:11 — 2026 Outlook: Saudi Arabia’s freehold explosion

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