Ben and Rob intercept the frequency in John Carpenter's They Live (1988), starring Roddy Piper as a man with nothing, Keith David as a man with just enough left to lose, and an entire ruling class of skull-faced aliens doing their most convincing work in business suits. What begins as the story of how a six-page pulp story from 1963, written by a man almost nobody has heard of, adapted into a comic nobody much read, ended up in the hands of a furious filmmaker who wanted to give the finger to a sitting president slowly develops into something considerably larger; a conversation about the collision of rage, resourcefulness, and sheer unlikely chemistry that produced one of the most politically precise films Hollywood has ever accidentally greenlit and whether a B-movie with a four-million-dollar budget and rubber alien masks is secretly one of the most important documents of the twentieth century.

And finally… what does it really mean?

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Ben and Rob sling their way back to 2002 and into the webbed world of Spider-Man, Sam Raimi's blockbuster that somehow managed to turn decades of comic book history, a nervous Tobey Maguire, and a maniacally committed Willem Dafoe into one of the defining superhero movies of the modern era. Along the way they untangle the long and surprisingly complicated journey that brought Marvel's most famous character to the big screen, explore the creative team that assembled around Raimi, and ask how a filmmaker best known for chainsaws, demons and severed hands ended up making one of the most sincere and influential comic book films ever released.

But that's only part of the story. Away from the set, Sam and his brother Ted Raimi have spent decades filling their movies with elaborate pranks, recurring cameos and a family atmosphere that borders on organised chaos. So what exactly were the Raimis getting up to when they weren't making movies? And why does Ted seem to appear everywhere? Plus, the pair take a dive into some of the wilder theories surrounding the film.

And finally, beneath all the upside-down kisses, Thanksgiving dinners and airborne pumpkin bombs, what is Spider-Man really about?

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Ben and Rob disappear into the monkey suit and hit the dusty New Mexico road with Sunlight (2024), the feature directing debut of Nina Conti, co-written with and co-starring Shenoah Allen, with Bill Wise and Melissa Chambers rounding out the cast. What begins as a tale built around a familiar prop from Conti's ventriloquism act slowly unfolds into something far more layered; a conversation about a desperate, near-mythical journey from stage gimmick to fully realised film, a writing process built almost entirely on improvisation and trust between two performers, and a story that somehow uses a sweaty, full-body monkey costume to say something about grief, trauma, and the long road back to facing reality.

How does an act this strange and specific make the leap from comedy stage to feature film? When a script is built on improvisation rather than a traditional draft, what gets lost and what gets gained, and how do two co-writers find a shared rhythm inside that chaos? Beneath the absurdity, what is Sunlight actually saying about mental health, about a man who has survived his own worst moment, and about a woman who would rather live inside a costume than face what happened to her?

And finally, when the mask comes off, literally or otherwise, what does Sunlight really mean?

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Ben and Rob strap themselves into the feedback loop and jack all the way in to The Lawnmower Man, directed by Brett Leonard and starring Pierce Brosnan, Jeff Fahey, Jenny Wright, and Mark Bringelson. What begins as a deceptively simple fable about a gentle simpleton turbocharged into a god by virtual reality and experimental drugs slowly mutates into something far weirder; a conversation about the most chaotic production history in early nineties Hollywood, the strange economy of Stephen King's name and exactly what it takes for him to legally disown your film, the accidental genius of low-rent CGI as a vessel for genuine existential dread, and whether a movie about a lawnmower man becoming an omnipotent digital deity has turned out to be less science fiction and more uncomfortable Tuesday.

What even is virtual reality as cinema understood it in 1992, and how does that fever dream vision compare to the surveillance-soaked, algorithm-shaped reality we actually ended up inside? How did this film pass through so many hands, studios, and creative crises that its very authorship became a legal battlefield? Is there something genuinely prophetic buried beneath the laughable polygon graphics and the mulleted hubris, or are we simply pattern-matching onto a movie that got lucky? Who is Jobe before the machines get hold of him, why does his innocence matter so much to the film's horror, and what is the movie actually saying about who gets experimented on and why? And why does a film this ridiculous, this campy, this thoroughly of its moment, still manage to leave something cold and unsettling lodged in the back of the mind long after the credits roll?

And finally… What does it all mean?

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Ben and Rob dive headfirst into the churning, sun bleached chaos of The Surfer, directed by Lorcan Finnegan and starring Nicolas Cage, Julian McMahon, Finn Little, and Nick Warnock. What begins as a straightforward tale of a man trying to reclaim his boyhood beach slowly mutates into something far stranger; a conversation about exploitation cinema, Australian genre filmmaking, territorial masculinity, mob psychology, class warfare, and whether Nicolas Cage has quietly delivered one of the most unhinged yet precisely calibrated performances of his entire career.

What even is an exploitation movie and does The Surfer wear that label as a badge of honour or a disguise? How did a distinctly Australian filmmaking tradition turn low budgets and sun scorched paranoia into an art form all its own? Who is the old man in the car park, why does he linger so long in the memory, and what is he actually doing in this film on a deeper level? Why does this story, a man systematically stripped of status, dignity, and sanity by a pack of territorial gatekeepers, feel so peculiarly timely? And finally… What does it really mean?

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Ben and Rob conclude their journey through Panem with The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part Two, directed by Francis Lawrence and starring Jennifer Lawrence, Josh Hutcherson, Liam Hemsworth, Woody Harrelson, Elizabeth Banks, Julianne Moore, Philip Seymour Hoffman and Donald Sutherland. What begins as one final YA franchise finale slowly mutates into something far stranger; a conversation about propaganda, blockbuster filmmaking, dead children, sewer monsters, wigs, merchandising, oligarchs, trauma, rebellion branding, and whether Suzanne Collins may have quietly pulled off one of the most outrageous sleight-of-hand tricks ever hidden inside a studio franchise.

Why does Donald Sutherland feel like he’s acting in an entirely different film from everybody else? Why does this franchise keep accidentally becoming more relevant every single year? Is Gale the most terrifying character in the entire series? And what if Mockingjay Part Two is not just a blockbuster about propaganda… but something far more clever? And finally… What does it really mean?

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Ben and Rob step back into the summer of 1986 with Flight of the Navigator, a film that has spent forty years being wildly underestimated. Warm, strange, and quietly melancholy beneath its adventure film surface, it tells the story of a boy who falls into a ravine and wakes up in a world that moved on without him… but is it the misunderstood masterpiece its most devoted fans insist it is? Or has our affection for it quietly outgrown the film itself?

The boys dig into the extraordinary story of how Flight of the Navigator came to exist at all; the bankrupt production companies, the directors who almost made something far darker, and the unlikely chain of events that led to one of the most influential films in cinema history changing CGI forever.

Somewhere along the way, the theories start to surface. Why are THOSE toys in David's NASA room? Did Max accidentally become conscious somewhere over Florida and did everyone simply fail to notice? And when David chooses to go back to 1978 at the end of the film, is he really choosing his family?

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What does it really mean?

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Ben and Rob return to Panem with The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 (2014), the instalment that divides fans and demands a verdict. Directed by Francis Lawrence, this chapter strips away the spectacle and doubles down on the psychology. But does that make it a bold creative swing, or a franchise stumbling under the weight of its own ambitions?

Two visions of the same film. Ben and Rob don't just disagree on Mockingjay, they disagree on what it means for the series as a whole. Is this the moment the Hunger Games grew up, or the moment it lost its nerve?

Along the way, they dig into the making of... the behind the scenes decisions that shaped one of the most divisive blockbusters of the decade. Then things get strange. Wild theories surface, hot takes land without apology, and the franchise itself gets put on trial. Is Mockingjay an underrated piece of political filmmaking hiding in plain sight, or has it been let off the hook for too long?

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