How do you build something meaningful when every cell in your body is screaming for instant results?

Diana sits down with her longtime friend, business thinker Dorie Clark, for an honest conversation about patience, privilege, and the lonely road of playing the long game.

This isn't your typical business podcast.

You'll learn how to recognize when busyness is just armor against loneliness... why saying no to the people you love might be the most loving thing you can do... and how two former alternative weekly journalists turned their deadline-driven mentalities into sustainable success.

Diana and Dorie trade stories about growing up different (gay in the South, third-culture kid bouncing between continents), finding belonging in unexpected places, and why the pressure to be perfect might be the very thing holding you back.

You'll discover how to use the "coffee sip moments" in your calendar to prevent burnout... when to listen to your gut instead of your prefrontal cortex... and why Dorie's high blood pressure diagnosis during her book launch became a wake-up call she couldn't ignore.

Plus, Dorie shares the surprising connection between being a "connector" and trauma responses, why she had to say no to her wife's big speaking event, and how writing musical theater is teaching her lessons about patience that even her Harvard theology degree couldn't.

• (00:00:00) - Dory Clark on The Long Game
• (00:01:55) - What's Your Morning Routine?
• (00:04:29) - Boarding Ring Glasses
• (00:09:42) - Loneliness and the Study at Harvard
• (00:15:42) - Expat expats on community and inclusion
• (00:20:33) - An Agnostic's Guide to Religion
• (00:23:25) - In the Elevator With Yuna
• (00:28:33) - How to Overcome Perfectionism
• (00:29:43) - Say No to Work Events
• (00:37:42) - The Long Game: Saying No to Things
• (00:41:31) - Kenji Ono Gets His Black Belt in Karate
• (00:42:44) - Grow This: Coaching Recoveries in Recovery
• (00:43:42) - Tony Award-Winning Musicals
• (00:45:41) - In the Elevator With Oprah
• (00:47:33) - On Writing Down To-Do Lists With Paper