In 2005, a mother and daughter were found dead in an apparent home invasion robbery. As the police started tracking down leads, the killer got bold but as the authorities moved in, they found the motive wasn’t exactly what they thought.

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When Thomas and Jennifer Ayers were found dead, the suspect was known from the start. But the investigation questioned motives and in the end, it was up to a judge to balance justice with mercy.

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An interview with Dr. Jeffery Smalldon, author of “That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Five Decades of Conversations with Killers”

THAT BEAST WAS NOT ME documents five decades of conversations with murderers like John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, serial sniper Thomas Lee Dillon, and Donald Harvey-then thought to be the most prolific serial killer in American history. Through letters, prison visits, and interviews, Smalldon gives readers a terrifying look into the darkest recesses of the human psyche.

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