The real estate industry is at a tipping point, and REALTORS® are asking hard questions about representation, relevance, and trust.

In this crossover episode from Under All Is The Land (co-hosted with Rob Hahn), we unpack NAR's new strategic plan and what it signals about the future of organized real estate.

This isn't a rant. It's a leadership conversation. Because when members feel unheard, strategy alone won't fix it. Whether you're fired up or simply trying to make sense of the direction of the industry, this discussion will challenge you to think bigger about professionalism, advocacy, and who the association truly serves.

Key takeaways to listen for

• Why the gap between REALTORS® and NAR leadership feels wider than ever
• What "homeownership advocacy" should mean in today's market
• How perception and credibility impact member trust
• The difference between messaging about professionalism and living it
• What grassroots energy could mean for the future of organized real estate

Resources mentioned in this episode

• National Association of REALTORS®
• Good Neighbor Awards
• REALTORS® Relief Foundation
• NAR Accepts Its Irrelevance, Counters with Platitudes
• Race for Relevance by Harrison Coerver & Mary Byers

About Under All Is The Land

If you enjoy this conversation, subscribe to Under All Is The Land, where Leigh and Rob break down the policy, power, and politics shaping real estate — without spin.

Watch and subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@UnderAllPodcast
Referenced episode: Under All is the Land Ep. 5: The new NAR Strat Plan

About Rob Hahn

Rob Hahn ("Notorious ROB") is one of real estate's most influential industry analysts, known for challenging assumptions, poking sacred cows, and pushing the business toward deeper integrity and clearer thinking.

He focuses on Associations, MLS structures, governance, and the intersection of real estate and public policy.

Follow Rob

• YouTube: Under All Is The Land
• X: @robhahn

About Leigh Brown

Leigh Brown is a leadership voice and keynote speaker who helps people navigate disruption and lead when the ground is shifting. Her latest book, Next Is Now, is a call to stop waiting and start leading.

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DM Leigh on Instagram: @LeighThomasBrown

Housing has quietly become one of the most urgent issues shaping the 2026 conversation, and not for the reasons most headlines suggest. In this episode, Leigh Brown cuts through the noise to explain why affordability and availability are colliding, and what a natural disaster in Western North Carolina exposed about the gaps in housing policy. Listen in for a grounded, human view of a problem that could affect your community next.

Key takeaways to listen for

• The two housing pressures driving every 2026 platform
• How inflation and post‑recession building shortages quietly created today's housing squeeze
• What Hurricane Helene revealed about disaster aid, renters, and missing policy answers
• Why small landlords matter more to affordability than most public narratives admit
• A practical way housing relief could support owners, renters, and communities together

Resources mentioned in this episode

• FEMA
• HUD
• Patriot Relief

About Leigh Brown

Leigh Brown is a leadership voice and keynote speaker who helps people navigate disruption and lead when the ground is shifting. Her latest book, Next Is Now, is a call to stop waiting and start leading.
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Bring Leigh to your stage: https://leighbrown.com
DM Leigh on Instagram: @LeighThomasBrown

Title insurance might seem like a formality, but what if it's the weakest link in your next transaction? In this episode, we'll chat with Andrew "Dru" Wischhover about rising fraud threats, surprising coverage gaps, and why agents need to understand what's actually being protected at the closing table. Hit play to rethink everything you thought you knew about closing a deal!

Key takeaways to listen for

• What title insurance really covers and why your lender requires it
• Real-life examples of title issues that cost buyers thousands
• Enhanced coverage: What it is and why you need to know about it
• The truth about title theft headlines vs. what really safeguards homeowners
• How Drew built a business that gives back to the community

Resources mentioned in this episode

• The Two Hour Difference by Dru Wischhover
• Heroes Helping Heroes

About Andrew "Dru" Wischhover

Andrew (Dru) Wischhover is an entrepreneur, author, and the President and CEO of Inspired Title Group. A licensed Title Insurance Officer with over 20 years of experience, he recently led the company's expansion into the Indiana market. Dru is dedicated to mentoring his team through "The Inspired Way," a philosophy centered on community service and delivering a seamless, client-focused closing experience.

Connect with Andrew

• Website: Inspired Title Group
• LinkedIn: Andrew (Dru) Wischhover
• Contact Number: (708) 341-0036

Connect with Leigh

Please subscribe to this podcast on your favorite podcast app at https://pod.link/1153262163, and never miss a beat from Leigh by visiting https://leighbrown.com. DM Leigh Brown on Instagram @ LeighThomasBrown.