In Episode 89, Dave and Matt have the insane privilege of talking to PUP's remarkably well-read frontman, Stefan Babcock, whose year-end reading list hit PUP's Substack on December 28th, and is full of great books.

In addition to talking about Stefan's year in reading, we delve into the literary influences and qualities of PUP's discography, discuss skateboarding in mid-life, and manifest a Tim Robinson/PUP collaboration for 2026.

Dave and Matt will be back soon with a Part 2, talking about their year in reading, and you can look forward to 30 more bonus minutes with Stefan through our Patreon, coming in about two weeks' time.

N.B. this episode probably breaks our record for most swearing, as expected. 🤘

Show Notes:

Stefan’s Substack post

Stefan’s Instagram

PUP's Instagram

PUP's Substack

PUP's website

PUP's Tour Dates (go see them live, pronto)

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In Episode 88, we welcome Brandon back to the show to talk about his new novel, The Devil Is a Southpaw, out now from HarperCollins. We discuss things like metafiction, abjection, doppelgängers, alt-country, and much more.

You can buy the novel here or here online, or ideally at your local independent bookstore.

Brandon's website

Brandon's Instagram

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For Episode 87, Matt and Dave are joined by the Jonathan Lethem, who has a new short story collection out on September 23rd, A Different Kind of Tension. We discuss it, many of his novels and his non-fiction writing, his committment to craft, teaching, bookselling, and much more.

You can order his new book here, or at your friendly local bookseller.

Visit Jonathan's website.

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