In this episode of Sanctuary Peacemakers, I’m joined by Eric Robinson—a former FBI agent, SWAT operator, firearms instructor, and pastor—who brings a rare and valuable perspective on church safety.

Eric recently retired from the FBI after 24 years as a special agent, where he worked cases ranging from counterterrorism to crimes against children. Before that, he spent over a decade in Christian ministry, including serving as a pastor. That combination of experience in both ministry and federal law enforcement provides a unique lens on the realities churches face today.

In this conversation, we discuss how churches should think about safety and preparedness in practical terms—not just in response to worst-case scenarios, but in everyday situations that are far more likely to occur. Eric explains how planning ahead—much like in SWAT operations—can prevent the need for split-second decision-making during a crisis.

We also cover:

• The most common situations churches are likely to face (beyond mass shootings)

• Warning signs that often appear before incidents escalate

• How frameworks like Run, Hide, Fight (ALERRT) apply in a church setting

• The differences between ALERRT and ALICE training

• Why internal investigations in churches sometimes fail—and how that can be addressed

• One practical step church leaders can take right now to improve preparedness

This conversation is not about fear—it’s about awareness, responsibility, and being better equipped to protect those we serve.

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Intro Music “Not Today” by Haley Jones

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Release Date: October 31, 2024

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Outro Music “Sound Mind” performed by Lesley Jones

Written by: Lesley Jones, Kevin Winebarger, Joshua Frerichs

Produced by: Joshua Frerichs

Mixed & Mastered by: Joshua Frerichs

Release Date: January 16, 2026

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