What does it actually take to walk away from a conventional career and build a practice centred on healing? In this episode of the Cafe In The Calm Radio Show, host Sian Murphy sits down with Robert Russell, trauma-informed psychotherapeutic counsellor, healer and medium, and Tammy White, founder of Healing and Coaching with Tammy White, alongside co-host Mark Jennings.

Robert and Tammy share honest accounts of how personal experience, health challenges and a quiet sense that something had to change led them both into healing and therapeutic work. They talk about the difference between counselling and coaching, why so many people don't recognise trauma as trauma, and what it feels like to finally charge what you're worth after years of giving your time away.

There's also a conversation about the idea that healers shouldn't charge for their gift, and why Sian has a few thoughts about that.

Warm, open and occasionally very funny, this is a conversation for anyone who has felt stuck in the wrong life, or who is curious about what healing, in its many forms, can actually do.

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