In this Beyond Wisconsin episode, Angela sits down with Ayris Scales, a tri-sector executive who has navigated government, nonprofit, and corporate worlds with intention and wisdom. Ayris currently serves as SVP of Social Responsibility and Global Initiatives at NAREIT, where she works to expand access to real estate investment opportunities, and runs Able Vision Enterprises, her highly selective consulting practice.
This conversation tackles the urgent realities facing Black women professionals in 2025—particularly the 300,000+ who have been pushed out of the workforce in recent months. Ayris doesn't hold back as she discusses the erosion (not just attrition) of Black women in DEI and social impact roles, the importance of knowing when to stop caring, and why our survival has taught us to see the "mud puddles" others refuse to acknowledge.
Key themes include:

Understanding REITs as an accessible wealth-building tool
The truth about "high-performance work" and organizational politics
Why balance is a myth, but harmony is achievable
The difference between a coach who tries to change you and one who helps you get clear
Transitioning with purpose, plan, and priorities
Recalibrating your specialty and knowing your value

Ayris also shares the origin story of her viral Tipsy Tuesday series (tips, not drinks!), her journey through unemployment and burnout, and why this moment requires Black professionals to invest in themselves differently.
Connect with Ayris on LinkedIn and Instagram @AyrisScales, and learn more about Able Vision at ayrisscales.com.
Featured songs: "Millionaire" by Kelis ft. André 3000, "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" by Nina Simone, "The Man I Need" by Olivia Dean

This week, I'm rebroadcasting a conversation with my dear friend Ali Muldrow. This conversation is all about beauty, joy, and friendship. As we start off 2026, the world continues to feel so heavy and overwhelming. This conversation is all about reclaiming the good in life despite the overwhelm, the noise, the comparison, and the seduction of numbness. It's an invitation to each of us to pause, slow down, to notice and to savor. Noticing beauty isn't about creating new years resolutions - it's not about the performative nature of "new year, new you." It's about noticing beauty as an act of resistance against the pressure to produce, perform, and define ourselves by metrics and outcomes. Noticing beauty is about reminding ourselves that abundance exists all around. I hope that this conversation fills your heart.

Our producer, Nate Chappell, hosts a comedy interview podcast called Several Questions. He's doing a live benefit show at Gamma Ray Bar on Wednesday, January 21st, with ticket sales going to the Autism Society of South Central Wisconsin. Nate is an autistic dad to autistic kiddos, and for this 'Oops! All Autistics!' show, all four guests are also autistic. It's going to be a silly celebration of autistic joy. Follow @severalquestionspod on Instagram for details, and get tickets here:

https://gammaray.bar/show/several-questions-w-nate-chappell-oops-all-autistics/

Come support autistic folks and autistic art on January 21st!

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Dr. Curtis shares her complicated relationship with Wisconsin—a "love and hate" dynamic shaped by leaving Milwaukee at 17, experiencing HBCUs and the East Coast, and returning multiple times before finally seeing the opportunity hidden in her home state. She now runs Taylor Nicole Wine and Cupcakes in Madison's Black Business Hub, creating the cultural space she couldn't find as a young woman in the city.

Research on Black Women's Success Dr. Curtis's doctoral research followed 14 Black women at CEO level or higher in Fortune 500 companies for two and a half years, uncovering the SCALE framework—five foundational elements these women needed to succeed and sustain success for 10+ years:

• Support Systems (mentors, networks, village)
• Capital Management (resources, allocation)
• Assets and Investing (wealth-building)
• Learning and Knowledge (continuous professional development)
• Enabling Technology (staying current with industry trends)

A striking finding: 90% of successful Black women she studied had never had another Black woman as a mentor in their workplace.

The Superpower Nobody Wants Dr. Curtis describes being a Black single mother as "a superpower nobody wants"—the exhausting reality of working harder because "no one was giving me handouts," of always being both woman and Black woman in corporate spaces, and of constantly asking "who's saving her?" when Black women are expected to save everyone else.

From Pain to Healing In a vulnerable moment, Dr. Curtis shares hitting a breaking point during COVID—scoring 50 out of 50 on a stress assessment, meaning "you can break at any moment." Her journey to therapy, initially for her daughters, became her own path to asking a fundamental question: "Do I want success from pain, or do I want success from a healing space?"

The Energy Economy Dr. Curtis speaks candidly about being "energy-led" rather than simply social—giving deeply in every interaction, which means protecting her capacity fiercely. She's retired from being "the strong friend" and encourages other Black women to ask daily: "Did you do anything selfishly for you?"

Honest Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs Rather than romanticizing entrepreneurship, Dr. Curtis asks the hard questions: What do you actually want? Can you live in uncertainty? Can you handle anxiety? Can you go into deficiency for a long time? She emphasizes that stability doesn't come from entrepreneurship and that sometimes the answer is investing in someone else's business or keeping your 9-to-5 while building—whatever serves the life you actually want, not the one you think you should want.

Defining Freedom The conversation closes with Dr. Curtis's challenge to listeners: What would you define as freedom? What kind of life do you really want? For her, it's "an unimaginable life"—and getting there requires the honesty to say no to many things to say yes to what matters most.

• LinkedIn/Instagram: @DrShakkiahCurtis
• Email: shakia@thepinkhustle.com (mailto:shakia@thepinkhustle.com)
• Visit: Taylor Nicole Wine and Cupcakes (Madison's Black Business Hub)