We're revisiting one of our very first conversations — submission — but this time with almost four years of marriage under our belts. Back when we first talked about this, we were barely a year and a half in. A lot has changed. A lot has also stayed the same.

In this episode, we get into what submission actually looks like in a real marriage, where it comes from in Scripture (hint: Ephesians 5 starts with mutual submission — men, that one's for you), and why the conversation is bigger than gender roles or who does the dishes. We also talk about the difference between personality and character, what it looks like to love your spouse when it's hard, and why gratitude might be the most underrated tool in a marriage.

Plus — a little gym saga, Jacquez being dramatic for attention, and a question about what you'd do if your nephew called you from a police station with a Snickers situation.

In this episode:

• Revisiting Submission or Slavery — where we started vs. where we are now
• What submission is not (and why men misquote Ephesians 5 constantly)
• Mutual submission and what it actually demands of husbands
• Growing up with different examples of gender roles — and how that shaped us
• Loving your spouse for who they are, not who you think they should be
• Raising kids to be self-sufficient, not gender-boxed
• Why praying for your spouse hits different than praying about them

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What actually causes marriages to fall apart?

Is it money? Communication? Intimacy? Or something deeper that most people miss?

In this episode, we sit down with Jonathan’s parents—married 33 years and experienced marriage counselors—to talk about what they’ve seen in both thriving and struggling relationships. From real-life stories to hard-earned wisdom, this conversation gets honest about what builds a marriage… and what slowly tears it down.

We talk about:

• The difference between intent and impact in conflict

• Why assuming the worst can quietly destroy a relationship

• The three biggest areas couples struggle in

• What the first years of marriage really feel like

• How to communicate without trying to “win”

• And the small habits that keep love alive over time

Whether you’re dating, engaged, or married, this episode will challenge the way you see relationships and give you practical ways to grow.

New episodes every Wednesday

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In this honest and vulnerable conversation, Jess and Jonathan talk about a topic that doesn’t get discussed enough — backsliding.

What does it really look like to drift from God? Is it a sudden fall, or a slow fade? And how do you find your way back?

They share personal experiences and unpack:

• The difference between struggling with sin and becoming comfortable in it

• What it looks like to live a “double life” while still showing up to church

• How community and accountability help prevent spiritual drift

• Why some people walk away, while others feel pulled back to God

• The hope found in God’s grace, even when we run

This episode is about the messy middle of faith — the tension between knowing the truth and not always living it, and the reminder that it’s never too late to come back.

New episodes every Wednesday.

Season 3 starts now.

After a long break (and a full kitchen reno), Jess & Jonathan are back—catching you up on what’s changed, what God’s been teaching them, and why they’re moving differently this year.

In this episode, they talk about:

• What it’s like rebuilding rhythm after a long pause

• The hard truth about fasting (and how it exposes what we really rely on)

• Why “perfect” social media couples are under pressure—and what actually keeps a marriage healthy

• Setting boundaries around pregnancy conversations while still holding on to hope

• The danger of overly confident “prophecies” and why your trust has to stay on God, not people’s words

If you’ve ever felt stretched, disappointed, or tempted to perform your way through life—this one’s for you.

New episodes every Wednesday. Follow the show and connect with us on Instagram: @betweenthewallsPod

We’re back with a life update and answering some of the questions you all sent in! From navigating our fertility journey to talking about choosing your partner over Instagram, online dating, and everything in between—this episode is honest, unfiltered, and full of laughs. Whether you’re here for the wisdom or the wild takes, there’s something in this one for you.

In this episode, we tackle some thought-provoking questions sent in by our listeners! From navigating past attractions and identity, to balancing relationships and social media, we cover it all. Plus, don’t miss our Black Movie Draft at the beginning, where we pick our favorite films! Join us for a fun and real conversation about relationships, love, and everything in between.

Dating can be confusing, but setting standards doesn’t have to be! In this episode, we dive into the big questions—Do looks really matter? What are the biggest red flags? How do you define your non-negotiables? Whether you’re single, dating, or just figuring it all out, we’re having an honest, faith-filled conversation on what truly matters in relationships.

Before you jump into dating, let’s talk about what it really means to be ready for a relationship. In this episode, we break down the importance of intentional singleness, knowing your worth, and preparing yourself emotionally and spiritually before stepping into dating. We also tackle the pressure from society (and the church) to rush into marriage, the pitfalls of dating without purpose, and why contentment in your current season is key. If you’re single and wondering, “Am I ready for a relationship?”—this episode is for you!