Guest: Kirsten Moorefield | Co-Founder & Chief Strategy Officer, Cloverleaf.

In this ABOVE CENTER® episode, Kirsten Moorefield shares how she went from a first-time manager drowning in self-doubt to co-creating one of the most powerful psychology-based coaching tools in the workplace: Cloverleaf.

With deep empathy and bold vision, Kirsten takes us inside the messy, human reality of leading in high-growth environments—and how AI can become an unlikely but powerful ally in fostering emotional intelligence, trust, and performance.

Kirsten’s story is a testament to what happens when you stop labeling people and start seeing them. She believes thriving teams don’t just need better tools—they need better understanding.

Key Takeaways from Kirsten’s Leadership Philosophy

🧭 Stress Is a Signal, Not a SetbackFor Kirsten, stress isn’t failure—it’s information. When tension arises, it’s often a cue to pause, reflect, and recalibrate—not power through.

🧠 AI Can Deepen Human ConnectionWhile others feared AI, Kirsten saw its potential to support—not replace—people. Cloverleaf uses psychology and automation to give teams real-time coaching tips that foster awareness and reduce friction.

💬 Communication Needs ContextHer breakthrough? Conflict often isn’t about competence—it’s about clashing styles. Tools like Cloverleaf help leaders understand not just what happened, but why someone reacted a certain way—and how to respond with clarity and care.

🔁 Rupture and Repair Builds TrustKirsten’s guiding quote—“All trust is built through rupture and repair”—reminds us that tension isn’t the enemy of strong teams. Avoiding conflict kills momentum; facing it with empathy fuels growth.

📊 Data-Driven, Human-CenteredCloverleaf analyzes over 214 personality traits across multiple assessments, making it nearly impossible to box someone in. The result? Less labeling, more listening—and better performance across diverse teams.

🤝 Above Center Starts With YouWhether she’s noticing a pattern of defensiveness or guiding a stressed-out team through a product launch, Kirsten uses Cloverleaf herself. The goal? To lead by example—embracing self-awareness as a daily practice, not just a leadership buzzword.

💬 Favorite Quote“All trust is built through rupture and repair.”This psychology insight grounds Kirsten’s approach to leadership. Conflict isn’t a sign of failure—it’s an invitation to build something stronger. Real trust isn’t built through comfort. It’s built through courage.

About Kirsten Moorefield:

Kirsten Moorefield is the Co-Founder and Chief Strategy Officer at Cloverleaf, a technology company pioneering Automated Coaching™ to help teams thrive. Launched in 2018, Cloverleaf now delivers over 5 million coaching insights per month to more than 45,000 teams. With a background in leadership, psychology, and people-first innovation, Kirsten leads with both vision and vulnerability—empowering organizations to turn human differences into team strengths. Her mission? To make self-awareness, empathy, and high performance a normal part of every workday.

ABOVE CENTER® is brought to you by REVEL®, an Executive Search and Coaching firm that helps people and companies grow through the power of great leadership.

Our ABOVE CENTER® approach is about staying grounded, clear, and resilient, especially when the stakes are high. In this podcast, we feature leaders in corporate America who share how they navigate the pressures of leadership while living ABOVE CENTER®. We uncover the mindsets, strategies, and personal philosophies that drive high-performing executives to lead themselves and their teams to success. From hiring and retaining top talent to thriving in the first 90 days of a new role, these conversations go beyond leadership—they’re about building a career and a life with purpose, impact, and joy in the journey.

A conversation on grind culture, growth, and gettinggrounded with Retired Navy SEAL Commander, Mindfulness Teacher, and Leadership Coach Jon Macaskill.

In this Above Center® conversation, retired Navy SEALCommander Jon Macaskill brings a powerful blend of grit and grace to the conversation on leadership. Drawing from his experience in elite military service and now as a leadership coach and mindfulness teacher, Jon sharespractical tools for navigating pressure with clarity, composure, and compassion.

From combat missions to boardrooms, Jon teaches that trueleadership starts within. Grounded in faith and forged through adversity, his approach combines mental toughness with emotional intelligence.

Key Takeaways from Jon’s Leadership Philosophy

1. Mental Toughness Starts Early

Jon credits his high school track coach for instilling gritand resilience long before SEAL training. That foundation—built on discipline, consistency, and accountability—shaped how he approached stress and setbacks throughout his life.

2. Know Your Why (Big and Small)

Staying “above center” requires a clear purpose. Jonbelieves leaders need both a broader mission and day-to-day motivation. Whether pushing through cold water in SEAL training or leading a team through chaos, it’s your “why” that keeps you focused.

3. Sleep Is the First Strategy

Jon doesn’t believe in reducing stress—he believes in managing it. And it starts with sleep. As a father of three and former SEAL, he’s seen firsthand how rest impacts patience, clarity, and emotional regulation. Rest isn’t weakness—it’s readiness.

4. Busy ≠ Productive

Grind culture isn’t a badge of honor. Jon challenges leadersto unplug, slow down, and prioritize presence over productivity.

5. Presence Is More Powerful Than Perfection

Jon believes leadership is about showing up fully. You don’t need perfect conditions. You need presence, resourcefulness, and the courage to start.

6. Start Small With Mindfulness

Jon teaches that meditation doesn’t require silence,incense, or long hours. Start with two minutes. Sit still. Be with your thoughts.

7. Lead with Awareness and Action

From pulling teeth in Nepal to managing morning chaos with his kids, Jon shows that leadership isn’t about titles—it’s about how you show up in the hard moments.

Favorite Quote

“Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.” –Theodore Roosevelt

This quote grounds Jon through life’s transitions—combat,career change, even divorce, and reminds him that leadership is about movement,not perfection.

Jon Macaskill is a retired Navy SEAL Commander turnedmindfulness teacher, leadership coach, and resilience practitioner. He blends elite military experience with deep emotional intelligence to help leaders manage stress, sharpen clarity, and lead with heart. Through keynotes,workshops, and 1:1 coaching, Jon works with top-performing teams at companies like Amazon, Microsoft, and PepsiCo. He’s also the co-host of Men Talking Mindfulness, a podcast on showing up fully—especially when it’s hard. His mission?To help leaders integrate grit and compassion in service of something greater.

ABOVE CENTER® is brought to you by REVEL®, an ExecutiveSearch and Coaching firm that helps people and companies grow through the power of great leadership.

Our ABOVE CENTER® approach is about staying grounded, clear, and resilient, especially when the stakes are high. In this podcast, we feature leaders in corporate America who share how they navigate the pressures of leadership while living ABOVE CENTER®.

We uncover the mindsets, strategies, and personal philosophies that drive high-performing executives to lead themselves and their teams to success. From hiring and retaining top talent to thriving in the first 90 days of a new role, these conversations go beyond leadership—they’re about building a career and a life with purpose, impact, and joy in the journey.

Theme: Mental Toughness, Presence, and Purpose-DrivenLeadership

Guest: Kyle Dorsey, President, Baptist Medical Center South

In this ABOVE CENTER® Leadership Podcast, hospital president Kyle Dorsey shares his powerful insights on leading through complexity, nurturing a values-driven culture, and building trust with both patients and teams. As President of Baptist Medical Center South—one of the top 5 hospitals in Florida—Kyle knows firsthand what it means to lead with clarity and care under pressure.

From staffing shortages to emotionally charged environments, healthcare leadership demands resilience and relational intelligence. Kyle leads by example, modeling the belief that everyone on the team is a care provider—from surgeons to housekeepers. And when the stakes are high, he believes it's not just about what you do, but how you make people feel.

Key Takeaways from Kyle’s Leadership Philosophy

🎯 Trust and Communication Are EverythingKyle emphasizes that every interaction in healthcare hinges on trust—between leaders, teams, and patients. Communication is critical, especially when expectations are high and outcomes matter.

💫 Culture is Built on ConsistencyFrom hiring practices to team accountability, Baptist South centers culture through "culture keepers" and shared rituals like open forums and leadership rounding. Everyone—regardless of role—contributes to the patient experience.

✔️ Relationships Before ResultsWhen onboarding new leaders, Kyle prioritizes relationships over performance in the first 90 days. Getting to know the team and building trust are foundational to long-term success.

➡️ Presence Over PerfectionKyle believes in being physically present—on nights, weekends, and across shifts. The result? People feel seen, heard, and valued. That presence builds emotional safety and deepens connection.

💌 Lead with Heart (and Handwritten Notes)During weekly rounds, Kyle and his team write personal notes to team members and mail them to their homes. This simple gesture creates a ripple effect of gratitude and meaning beyond the hospital walls.

📖 Favorite Quote“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” – Margaret Mead

From building high-performing leadership teams to supporting individuals who fall "below center," Kyle's leadership centers on empathy, accountability, and service. His story is a masterclass in leading from within—with purpose, perspective, and the courage to care.

___________________About Kyle DorseyKyle Dorsey is the President of Baptist Medical Center South, one of Florida’s top-ranked hospitals by U.S. News & World Report. A seasoned healthcare executive, Kyle leads with a deep commitment to compassionate care, operational excellence, and team culture. His leadership oversees key hospital services including Labor & Delivery, Emergency, Surgery, Imaging, and the pediatric Wolfson Children’s ER. With a strong background in physician relations and healthcare management, Kyle is known for fostering collaboration, trust, and high-impact leadership in every corner of the hospital.

ABOVE CENTER® is brought to you by REVEL®, an Executive Search and Coaching firm that helps people and companies grow through the power of great leadership.

Our ABOVE CENTER® approach is about staying grounded, clear, and resilient, especially when the stakes are high. In this podcast, we feature leaders in corporate America who share how they navigate the pressures of leadership while living ABOVE CENTER®. We uncover the mindsets, strategies, and personal philosophies that drive high-performing executives to lead themselves and their teams to success. From hiring and retaining top talent to thriving in the first 90 days of a new role, these conversations go beyond leadership—they’re about building a career and a life with purpose, impact, and joy in the journey.

Guest: Christine G. Johnson, CHRO, Baptist Health Care

Theme: Compassionate Leadership, Centering Through Chaos, and Building a Culture of Care

In this ABOVE CENTER® episode, Christine Johnson—Chief Human Resources Officer at Baptist Health Care—shares what it takes to lead with heart in one of the most high-stakes, high-stress industries: healthcare.

With a team of 40 and influence across the entire hospital system, Christine has anchored her leadership in empathy, clarity, and presence.

Her leadership philosophy is shaped by years of experience—and by the quiet power of watching her own mother lead with grace. For Christine, being Above Center® means showing up with intention, even when the day starts in chaos. From greeting her team with genuine energy to making space for difficult emotions, she models a form of leadership that is both kind and unshakably clear.

Key Takeaways from Christine’s Leadership Mindset

🔑Culture Starts with the Baptist Way: Christine leads through a cultural framework that puts people first—patients and staff alike. She believes in meeting individuals where they are, especially in their most difficult moments.🔑Living ABOVE CENTER® Is a Choice: Christine starts each day with intention—centering herself before she centers others. She reminds her team that no two days are the same and creates space for resetting and asking for support when needed.🔑Transparency in Tough Decisions: When facing hard choices, Christine leads with empathy and clarity. She emphasizes the importance of explaining the “why,” speaking genuinely, and painting a hopeful path forward for her team.🔑Reframing Negativity with Empathy: When team members are stuck or below center, Christine meets them with breathwork, one-on-one honesty, and reframing. She encourages naming the feeling, creating space for it, and then finding the energy to rise again.🔑Deep Connections Drive Results: Christine uses intentional rounding, personal check-ins, and team-building days to foster a strong culture. Her secret? Remembering names, celebrating wins, and being present—without always leading with her title.Her Grounding Quote: “Live in the sunshine, swim in the sea, and drink in the wild air.”To Christine, it’s a reminder to embrace light, energy, and breath—even amidst chaos. She brings that same spirit into her leadership, helping her team find joy in the moment and clarity in the chaos.

A conversation on startups, side hustles, and leading like a founder.

Guest: J.B. Kropp, CEO of Cintrifuse and Managing Partner of Cintrifuse Capital

In this Above Center® Leadership Podcast conversation, venture fund leader and multi-startup entrepreneur J.B. Kropp shares what it takes to grow businesses—and people—from the ground up. As Managing Partner of Cintrifuse in Cincinnati, J.B. works with early-stage startups, helping founders turn passion into performance through intentional leadership, smart team building, and authentic storytelling.

J.B.’s approach is grounded in one core belief: great leaders know their superpower—and build teams that fill in the rest. From mentoring founders to managing his own team, he empowers others to lead with confidence by giving them space to learn, fail, and grow.

Key Takeaways from J.B.’s Leadership Philosophy

➡️Empowerment Over Micromanagement: J.B. believes that the best leaders remove barriers and unlock their team’s potential. By stepping back and letting others lead in their zone of genius, he builds high-performing, collaborative teams.

➡️Founders Need Support, Not Perfection: Startups are intense and lonely. J.B. encourages coaching and mentorship as a vital support structure for early-stage founders, helping them stay grounded and aligned with their vision even during tough moments.

➡️Culture Starts at the Top (and Takes Time): From creating a culture club to running all-hands meetings that model core values, J.B. reinforces that culture isn’t a slogan—it’s a leadership practice. He leads by example and gives new hires time to learn, observe, and integrate authentically.

➡️Storytelling is a Superpower: Inspired by a favorite quote from Steve Jobs—“The most powerful person in the world is the storyteller”—J.B. teaches founders to craft authentic, emotionally grounded stories that build connection, drive investment, and move communities.

➡️Side Hustles Keep You Sharp: Whether it’s his pet supplement line or iced tea business, J.B. embraces side hustles as a way to stay curious, energized, and relatable to the founders he supports. He sees hands-on experimentation as key to ongoing growth.

➡️Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs: Start with one piece of paper. If you can write it clearly—what it is, why it matters, and who it’s for—you’re ready to share it. Then find your “smart dummies”—people who are smart enough to give real feedback and honest enough to tell you the truth.

________ABOVE CENTER® Leadership Podcast is brought to you by REVEL®, an Executive Search and Coaching firm that helps people and companies grow through the power of great leadership.

Our ABOVE CENTER® approach is about staying grounded, clear, and resilient, especially when the stakes are high. In this podcast, we feature leaders in corporate America who share how they navigate the pressures of leadership while living ABOVE CENTER®. We uncover the mindsets, strategies, and personal philosophies that drive high-performing executives to lead themselves and their teams to success. From hiring and retaining top talent to thriving in the first 90 days of a new role, these conversations go beyond leadership—they’re about building a career and a life with purpose, impact, and joy in the journey.

Guest: Sloan Shanahan, Chief Revenue Officer, FusionIQ

Theme: Leading with Intention, Storytelling as Strategy, and

Staying Centered in a Fast-Paced WorldIn this episode of the Above Center® Podcast, Sloan Shanahan, CRO of FusionIQ, shares how she leads with clarity, purpose, and resilience in the ever-evolving fintech landscape. Known for building high-performing teams and aligning strategic growth with innovation, Sloan emphasizes the importance of staying true to yourself while scaling businesses and leading others.

At FusionIQ, Sloan helps financial institutions modernize their services and democratize wealth, offering a private-labeled platform akin to Robinhood and Betterment. Her leadership style stands out in how she verticalizes her sales team to speak the language of each client segment, enabling more personalized, effective conversations.

Key Insights from Sloan:

➡️Storytelling in Sales & Leadership:

Sloan trains her teams to slow down, truly listen, and use storytelling to help clients visualize their potential. By understanding pain points through both offensive and defensive strategies, they guide clients with empathy and precision.

➡️Coaching Through Rejection:

Sloan uses retrospectives—a practice borrowed from her background in agile methodology—to help reps separate personal worth from sales outcomes. She encourages her team to treat each “no” as a learning opportunity, emphasizing that confidence and mindset directly influence success.

➡️Intentional Presence & Timeboxing:

To avoid burnout and stay grounded, Sloan practices presence in all areas of her life, using timeboxing to give undivided attention to what matters—whether that’s a board meeting or dinner with a friend.

➡️Leadership as Influence:

A defining moment from her college golf years showed Sloan that leadership means modeling the behavior you want others to follow. Since then, she’s led by example, believing that one’s actions can have lasting ripple effects.

➡️ABOVE CENTER Philosophy:

Sloan embraces the idea of living “above center” by acknowledging challenges while choosing growth. Her chosen quote by Dr. Joe Dispenza captures this spirit:

“When you choose to prove to yourself how powerful you really are, you have no idea who you will be helping in the future.”

For Sloan, this quote is a reminder that leadership is not about perfection—it’s about courage, consistency, and inspiring others through example.

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ABOVE CENTER® is brought to you by REVEL®, an Executive Search and Coaching firm that helps people and companies grow through the power of great leadership.

Our ABOVE CENTER® approach is about staying grounded, clear, and resilient, especially when the stakes are high. In this podcast, we feature leaders in corporate America who share how they navigate the pressures of leadership while living ABOVE CENTER®.

We uncover the mindsets, strategies, and personal philosophies that drive high-performing executives to lead themselves and their teams to success. From hiring and retaining top talent to thriving in the first 90 days of a new role, these conversations go beyond leadership—they’re about building a career and a life with purpose, impact, and joy in the journey.

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