In this episode, Katie and Allie sit with what it feels like to watch the country fracture in real time. We speak openly about grief, anger, confusion, and the exhaustion of watching violence become normalized. The conversation reflects on recent events, including the killings of Renée Good and Alex Pretti by ICE, as well as the arrest of journalist Don Lemon, and what these moments reveal about systemic oppression, political division, and the long road ahead for meaningful change.

We also reflect on how news and social media shape our understanding of current events, how dynamics like the Drama Triangle and ego strength show up in our reactions, and what it feels like to engage with people who support systems that we believe cause harm.

There are no clean answers here. This conversation names the weight of the moment and the difficulty of holding grief, anger, and uncertainty while still trying to imagine a way forward.

We Discuss:

• Our personal response to the ICE shootings of Renée Good and Alex Pretti
• How polarized reporting and social media echo chambers shape our perceptions
• Identifying dynamics like the Drama Triangle and ego strength in political and personal interactions
• How trauma, violence, and systemic oppression affect people across divides
• Reframing how to interact with people whose beliefs or political alignment don't align with your own

RESOURCES:

1. The Ego Series: Episodes 27-30
2. The Drama Triangle: Episode 42
3. The Codependency Series: Episodes 48-51
4. Ground News

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