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  • Out of Spite, Out of Mind

  • Magic 2.0, Book 5
  • De : Scott Meyer
  • Lu par : Luke Daniels
  • Série : Magic 2.0, Volume 5
  • Durée : 7 h et 34 min
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    Description

    When you discover the world is a computer program, and you figure out that by altering the code you can time travel and perform acts that seem like magic, what can possibly go wrong?

    Pretty much everything.

    Just ask Brit, who has jumped around in time with such abandon that she has to coexist with multiple versions of herself. Now, Brit the Elder finds that her memories don't match Brit the Younger's. And there's the small matter of a glitch that's making Brit the Elder's body fritz out. Brit the Elder's ex-boyfriend Phillip wants to help her, but he'll have to keep it secret from his current girlfriend, Brit the Younger, who can't stand her future self.

    Meanwhile, Martin is trying to protect Phillip from a relentless attacker he somehow hasn't noticed; Gwen is angry because Martin accidentally proposed to her; Gary tries to help the less fortunate, with predictably disastrous results; and an old nemesis might have to be the one to save them all.

    In Out of Spite, Out of Mind, our fearless wizards discover the biggest glitch in their world's program may well be themselves.

    ©2018 Scott Meyer (P)2018 Audible Originals, LLC.

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    • Keela
    • 13/07/2018

    A nonsensically funny story becomes nonsense

    By the end of the story, Scott Meyer has taken his goofy and likable cast of characters and reduced them to one-dimensional cardboard cutouts of sheep. He strips them of any sense of depth, uniqueness, or meaning. If you have enjoyed the series for it’s sense of fraternal camaraderie, hijinx, and sophomoric charm set within a world built on an intriguing mystery, stop before this book. He ruined every good thing about the series in the latter half of this disaster. I think he was collecting a paycheck he didn’t fully earn.

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    • Sonne
    • 19/09/2018

    This Series has Taken a Horrible Turn...

    I'm going to keep this brief... I loved this series so much. I couldn't stop listening to it and told everyone I knew about it. After this last book I completely regret it.

    The way Phillip was treated in this book was absolutely disgusting and uncalled for. Everyone was completely ok with Phillip being destroyed over a lie that Brit put in her own head. Why do the other characters support this? Phillip has consistently throughout these books been there for everyone and they just turn their back on him just because. All the build up to find out why Brit and Phillip aren't together in the future and this is what the author chose? Unbelievable.

    Also, the not so subtle "Women are amazing and Men are animals" thread of this book was forced and complete garbage. "Women need an excuse to fight and men need an excuse not to fight"? Who the hell thinks like this let alone writes it down and promotes it to others?!

    Killed the series for me. Horrible.

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    • Joel
    • 01/07/2018

    Scott, how do you think women are supposed to act?

    Seriously, though. Gwen? She's angry until suddenly without context she's not and all Martin does is be honest and forthright with her. The Brits? They're normal until Philip tries his best to save them all and has to keep things from them/her. All be ever did was his very best to help and was forced to lie. The resolution is deeply unfair and unsatisfying on all sides and NOBODY else in the cast calls out Brit for being a bitch or being irrational. Honestly, this would have been a better resolution if Brit had died. The book is a slow, downhill slide into yet another unsatisfying resolution and a little lead in to another story where I'm sure it will be yet another downhill slide into mediocrity. Scott, please. You can do better than this. the first book proved that. your characters have gone from goofy and lovable to increasingly one dimensional and rigid.

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    • Teaweasel
    • 05/09/2018

    Sloppy Sexist Stupid

    It doesn't feel like the same author wrote this that wrote the first three books. Everyone acts so out of character and just plain stupid. Brit and Gwen could get away with murder if they just glare at the guys and act superior... which is what they do through the whole book. No one reacts to the horrible way they treat Phillip and to a lesser extent Martin. It's as if they aren't in the same room and completely ignore things that they should absolutely react to. The logic and common sense is also stripped from every character to the point that you want to scream at them. The narration was great as always but this one falls hard with it's story.

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    • DLA1992
    • 07/07/2018

    Don't read this one.

    The title of this book describes Brits motivation and mental status perfectly. Seriously, if you have any love for these characters then do not listen to this book at all. Just pretend there was no foreshadowing problem at the end of the last book, and that all of the characters continue to live their lives the in their goofy but charming way. You'll be much happier.

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    • Blake Jones
    • 02/07/2018

    Brit is a sedistic monster.

    The amount of damage she inflicts on others and the univers is amazing. She's good enough to be a Lovecraft monster. Yet she gets away with it all.

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    • Amazon Customer
    • 26/06/2018

    Dont Bother

    Small spoilers ahead:
    Rather than listen to this, just read the last chapter and move on. It's literally the only thing that adds to the plot. Everything else in the story adds nothing and destroys any depth that anyone but Philip had. Outside of a few funny side-stories, the main story is literally just Brit ruining Philip's life because a future version of her did it to her; so, she has to do it because.... idk... no free will? That's it. That's her only reasoning, and everyone aside from Philip seems to accept this as a valid argument. Don't waste your money. Absolutely no development or growth here.

    Props to the narrator, though. 10/10

    Huge Spoilers after:

    Philip listens to Old Brit when she tells him not to tell young Brit about what was going in with Old Brit FOR HER OWN SAFETY. Young Brit (despite believing she will one day be old Brit) decides that it's all Philip's fault for listening to old Brit and he should have ignored Old Brit's warning and told her. She breaks up with him, and to top it off she changes her own memories of the events to believe that Philip cheated on her; so, that way she'll never forgive him.... for trying to protect her(?). That's it. that's the entire plot, and EVERYONE sides with Brit. No one even questions it. Like... come on. What an awful story. How could anyone honestly believe she's in the right. What a completely garbage human being.
    Complete letdown. Was really hoping the cliffhanger from Book 4 actually meant something, butttt.... NOPE

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    • Doug
    • 09/07/2018

    Least Favorite of the series so far

    I guess maybe this book was written to set up future plots, but it really didn't seem to have much of a point. it didn't seem to me to flow very well or hold my interest nearly as much as the first four books of the series.

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    • harbinger
    • 11/07/2018

    A Philip to Remember / A Britt To Forget

    **MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!**

    I adore the Magic 2.0 series - I fell in love with the world, the characters and their adventures through medieval England, Atlantis, and the rest. Luke Daniels is an absolute wizard in bringing these characters to life, and I applaud Scott Meyers for never resting on his laurels, and taking chances with books 3 (fun!), 4 (Honor fail) and 5.

    With Out of Spite, Out of Mind, the Phillip//Britt pairing is the main event, representing fatalism vs. free will. And that's interesting! Where it quickly falls apart is 1) how condescending (at best) and spiteful (hence the title???) Britt becomes and 2) how idiotic she behaves. It's the second part that I take issue with Meyer, because Britt was a pretty awesome character until recently.

    So, to recap: Britt is two people; younger Britt resents older Britt; elder Britt notices a glitch caused by the two co-existing; elder Britt enlists Phillip to help her solve the problem and keep it a secret from Phillip, lest they destroy everyone/everything; younger Britt finds out and accuses Phillip of cheating on him; not-so-young Britt "saves the day" by fixing elder Britt, but not before encoding fake memories of Phillip cheating on her, thereby preserving the time loop and fulfilling her (elder Britt's) destiny of not being with Phillip.

    To my first point, the characters in the book show little to no sympathy toward Phillip, with the main character Martin being unhelpful at best. Britt absolutely brutalizes Phillip, accusing him of cheating (with herself???) and then implanting her future self with false memories to ensure this becomes elder Britt's reality. How horrific. How sadistic.

    But the fact that Phillip is posterized by Britt is a quibble compared to point numero dos - Britt's logic is completely faulty. If she allows herself to love Phillip, believing in HIS idea that free will exists (that each person can make decisions independently), and that determinism is false, she completely screws the pooch by essentially acting toward self-sabotage and preserving the timeline (i.e., free will doesn't exist, so I'm just going to do what I was going to do anyway).

    Do you see the problem there? The Brit I know is way, way smarter than that. She is essentially acting OUT OF CHARACTER to push this plot forward. Phillip is not collaborating with elder Brit to save elder Brit - he is, at the end of the day, trying desperately to save younger Brit. Younger Brit somehow interprets this to be tantamount to cheating, and then acts to ensure the miserable outcome that is this book, which doesn't really prove her point (that what will be will be) since she ultimately decided the resolution of elder Brit's fate. And decides to cover her tracks by erasing the truth and replacing it with a falsehood about Phillip's infidelity...uhhh, good job Brit!

    I can see where this is all going, but it just pains me when characters act of our character in order for the plot to work in certain ways. Gwen is no charmer, either, and I'm puzzled at how little chemistry both couples have with one another. Mr. Meyer - most of us are ride-or-die fans, and we're too invested to give up on these characters. I'm certain that Phillip and to a lesser extent Martin will get their comeuppance (for essentially being good, normal guys), but the fact that I'm expecting this comeuppance against the loves of their lives is really weird, mean-spirited, bizarre, out of character, etc.

    Thank you for taking some chances, and taking us to some unexplored territory, but please hide the puppet strings a bit better when having the characters do what they need to do in service of the entire story. Characters by their nature are in service to the story, but maybe the story should be in service to them, as well (ooh! story/determinism vs. character/free will!)

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    • David M.O.
    • 28/09/2018

    Why do I keep torturing myself?

    I said after the last book I likely wouldn't pick up the next and yet here I am. Well luckily Audible has a great return policy, your the tops Audible.
    As others have already said the character (characters) Brit & Brit & Brit & Brit are the worst to have a story centered around.
    First off I want to say who are these people to each other? Because it sure seems like they are FAR from Phil's friends. I mean all they do is cut him off and then side with #### mc'#### Face which if you were part of the story and were listening to anything that happened (spoiler alert) you would basically be going along with allowing your buddies girlfriend to mess with her memory to make her think Phil cheated on her all because he was helping another version of her WHOM IF you were paying attention you would have realized caused everything to happen and none of it including Phil helping another version of her would have happened at all had she not meddled in the first place.
    If that was my friend and I was paying attention I would first say Brit is no longer allowed around me or any of my friends and I'd certainly remind everyone Brit knows so as to remind her by proxy that Phil never actually cheated and another version of her psychopath self caused a ton of problems, cloned a bunch of herself to solve them and then jacked up her own memories because once again shes a psychopath. The reason I am giving the story a bad rating is because all of that ranting is pretty much how just about any normal person would feel / react which makes the whole situation and story completely 100% unbelievable. Hey I like time traveler fantasy and all that but thats the part of the story I want to be fiction, not how seemingly, supposedly normal people react to fairly common situations.

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    • M. von Platen
    • 03/11/2018

    sorry, but noooo!

    as one of many fans of this series of books I am sorely disappointed. the whole book seems to consist of couples bitching all the time without needing any reason whatsoever. a problem pulled like a rabbit from a hat. protagonists acting totally out of character. and in the end no real cause or satisfying explanation for all the trouble. nearly everything is happening "just because". or because it "has to". not one single character goes through any real development.

    two stars for seeing beloved characters and places once again. minus three for the way they act, behave and do nothing.

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    • Nordom
    • 10/07/2018

    The first one that I didn't like as much

    No question, the magic 2.0 series is one of my favorite audio book series since the first book. This one though I absolutely don't like the story. It's so negative and I really think that the characters don't act like they usually did. Also they completely lack common sense... I don't understand Gwen, Philipp, Martin, Britt(s, all of them), Roy is superfluous as is Tyler. Wow, this is hard without spoilers.
    Anyhow... I hope the next book will go back humor of the first book. That one really was the best.
    Also, this one was short!

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    • Tim Kops
    • 24/04/2020

    More detail to the Story

    I heard the first three books in German. The speaker in German was really good with the different voices. In the beginning I couldn't hear sometimes the differents with the English speaker. In the end I got used to it.
    The story was really good. I liked it. It goes more in the details with time traveling and the paradox. I can see, why some people didn't like it, but I thought it was nice to go into that topic rather than to ignore it kind of. :)

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    • Pete
    • 04/07/2019

    A bit disappointing in the end

    The story starts with an interesting twist, that is becoming rather meaningless in the end.

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    • Andrej
    • 03/12/2018

    Can get real confusing.

    So... First off, as one characters said, it is a really bizarre situation Philipp found himself in, under extraordinary circumstances, therefore she cannot judge him and she failed to view the situation from his view. Philipp believed the secrecy be essential for the safety of said character and acted only with her safety in mind. The story doesn't do right to Philipp. The ramifications of the complicated plot could become a real drag, but was worth the epilogue.

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