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Where does English Grammar Boot Camp rank among all the audiobooks you’ve listened to so far?

Among The Great Courses series on language, which are all excellent, I rate this one in the middle of the pack. It depends on what type of learning you want.

What other book might you compare English Grammar Boot Camp to and why?

Anne Curzan's first audio series "The Secret Life of Words" is one of my favorites titles on Audible, so I was both excited to listen this new course, and curious: How would this descriptivist linguist, who's quick to point out that English has many grammars, teach a English Grammar Boot Camp?

I am pleased to report that Professor Curzan navigates the territory with great ease. Yes, she reminds us, the English language is not static. No, there is not one authoritative grammar. But there is a concept of "standard English," and while much of that has changed over time and debate persists over certain rules, you're listening to this series because you want to understand those rules and potential pitfalls, and Curzan brilliantly covers it all with humor, humility, and insight.

You will learn the rules of usage, and you will also learn the origins of those rules, the logic behind them (if there is any), and how the rules of what's considered proper may be changing over time.

It should also surprise no one familiar with Curzan's other courses that you will learn the differences between spoken English and written English, and how what's considered proper in one form may be unacceptable in the other.

Which scene was your favorite?

I love Curzan's descriptions of the things she learns from her students. She describes how she frequently calls on them, as young users of the language, to help her document changes in usage as those changes enter the mainstream.

She describes, among other things, how texting has its own grammar and punctuation, and makes the point that while some of us might view this as simply "bad english," there are in fact meaningful rules that are unique to the medium.

Was this a book you wanted to listen to all in one sitting?

Absolutely not. It's quite long, and dense with information. I typically listened to two chapters a day.

Any additional comments?

For those who are prescriptivists looking to hone your sense of "proper" usage, you will no doubt find everything you're looking for, but prepare to also be humbled. It is inevitable that some rule you were taught in school and remembered all these years will be questioned.
This very review, up through the previous sentence, is filled with grammar and punctuation that defies some conventional rules, yet falls into the category of modern acceptable usage. Curzan explains those distinctions, with particular focus on those words and rules that tend to trip us up the most, such as:
That rule about never ending a sentence with a proposition
Apostrophes, dashes, semicolons, and the oxford comma
Who, whom, pronoun agreement, and all the other prounoun issues that trip us up
Which vs. that, and relative pronouns
Octopuses or octopi, and all the ways plurals trip us up
Lie vs. lay, past tense vs. past participle
Helping verbs, shall, can, may etc.
Passive voice
Adverbs
Conjunctives
Dangling modifiers
etc.

She will often stop short of declaring that a common usage is correct or incorrect, but will point out that if you make certain choices -- particularly in writing -- prepare to be judged.

It's a unique, refreshing, and entertaining approach to grammar study. Highly recommended for the usage nerd in us all.

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The best lecture series what I have ever heard

Firstly, this isn’t really a grammar boot camp – a boot camp would be the ‘basic training’ undertaken by people who join the army. This course is beyond basic. It only spends a very little time explaining the different components of grammar – Most of the lecture series is about acceptable usage of English, and assumes a reasonable amount of prior familiarity with grammatical terminology, rather than being a basic description of how grammar works.

It deals with all the old chestnuts - like split infinitives, prepositions at the end of a sentence, dangling modifiers, double negatives and apostrophes, but the take-home message from this book is that these issues are rarely black-and-white.

For example, is it always wrong to split an infinitive, such as in Captain Kirk’s ‘to boldly go’? No – it isn’t always wrong – usually it’s fine, but don’t pack too many words in between the ‘to’ and the ‘go’. Is it always wrong to put a preposition at the end of a sentence? E.g. ‘The strange woman he was dancing with.’ No - it isn’t always wrong. Putting the preposition at the end can sound a bit clumsy and is often considered to be bad writing stylistically, but it isn’t necessarily wrong and it sometimes sounds better than the alternative: ‘The strange woman with whom he was dancing.’

So how can we find out if something is bad grammar, or bad usage, or perfectly OK? There are at least four ways: Firstly, we can look at the history of the language and see how it has been used over time; secondly, we can consult key grammar texts (such as Fowler’s ‘Modern English Usage’ and Strunk and White’s ‘Elements of Style’); thirdly, there are databases of the current English usage of established writers. We can search these to see if a particular construction is acceptable. If a large body of educated writers are splitting their infinitives, it must be OK. Finally, we can consult the online Usage Panel, a group of 200 experts who are surveyed annually to gauge the acceptability of particular usages and grammatical constructions.

The result of all this searching is that it is rare to find a clear-cut case of ‘wrong’ or ‘right’ usage. Usually it will only provide a guide to what would be better stylistically, and this will depend on the context. Obviously you can get away with a lot more in casual conversation than you could in formal writing.

It was fascinating to explore these different issues and get a better insight into how the language works. From now on, this will give me more confidence to write with.

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Far too much background information.

I was looking for a simple grammar course and what I received was an in-depth history of grammar. The lecturer just goes far too deep into the history of grammar. I am not interested in the debate surrounding grammar. I simply want the prescriptive rules.

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Interesting not educational

75% of this class is "interesting". And by that I mean she likes to show how language changed over time. But all of her "interesting" anecdotes just left me more confused. I don't care if that rule about double negatives changed in 1907 I just want to learn how to use it today.
25% of the class is the nuts and bolts of grammar.
I understand she wants to make it interesting, but I bought this to learn how to write.

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This book is mostly about the history of grammar

I was expecting an intense grammar course, but instead it is mostly about the history of grammar. In my opinion, the title is misleading.

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Confused!!

What is this book about? How can this author be so out of focus? What is she talking about? the process on how Oxford dictionary gets updated? I have nothing to do with that. All I wanted to learn was the correct usage of grammar on a daily basis but the author was unable to deliver me that knowledge.

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not a bootcamp more like assorted dissertations

Hard to follow if you don't know all the terms. She explains some, but if you aren't paying razor sharp attention and taking notes it's hard to follow. And it's no kind of boot camp it's more like assorted English professor rambles. Some of it's pretty amusing but I am giving up on this. Personally I'd like something a little more patient and explainative really. Or more like a drill sergeant at boot camp. This is more like a starry eyed gym teacher marveling at the aspects and usage of exercise than a boot camp.

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The Discombobulation Made Learnable

English Grammar Boot Camp by the Great Courses, authored and read by Professor Anne Curzan. The sequence of lectures is a study of each and every little piece of grammar you knew existed but could not put into a neat and organized cabinet from which you may un-shelf writing issues as you write the next great American novel. For example, when to use who or whom, what are dangling participles and should I not dangle as well as are they acceptable or ungrammatical and what is a spit infinitive (aren’t those adjectives in any case) and why should I care what Henry Alfort says about my infinitives?

Well, first off, grammar is unmanageable and no one really “discombobulates” it in any case. It is a mish-mash and will always be. (Oops. Can I leave a hanging “be” out there like that or is that just for participles?) Professor Curzan though does put it together into 24 logical categories and tells some very interesting stories about how words play with each other to assist in human communication. What she does is give a leg up on understanding what is acceptable and what might nevertheless be very communicative.

Each lecture takes on a new area of problem defining, giving its historical origins and what she feels is the developing trend in grammatical propriety. I do not believe you will find anyone who loves her profession more. She thrills at talking about words and sentences. Her joy is concordant with her delivery. So the lectures are just plain fun to read. (By the way, Professor Curzan also has a wonderful section on why people respond to an inquiry by leading with the word, “so” as I just did.)

Have fun. Read the course.

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So disappointing

This is NOT a grammar boot camp. It is the meandering thoughts of a linguistics professor on various points of grammar. Wandering, directionless, not instructive on grammar. I rarely stop listening unfinished, but I did on this because I wasn’t getting anything out of it. Her presentation would lead one to believe there are very few actual rules of grammar.

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more than I expected

instead of just a dry guide or handbook she went into the history and stories behind it.

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