From officiating NCAA basketball games to helping grow a youth flag football program, Martin has spent a huge part of his life around sports—but from some very different perspectives.

This week on Shattered Wisdom, Jack and Jerett sit down with Martin.

We start with his time as an NCAA basketball referee and get into what it's actually like being the person with the whistle.

Martin talks about making decisions in a matter of seconds, dealing with coaches and players, handling pressure and criticism, the calls officials sometimes get wrong, and what people watching from the stands don't understand about refereeing.

Then we move from the basketball court to the football field.

Today, Martin is involved with Tri-City Flag Football League, a growing youth flag football program that's creating opportunities for kids to compete, learn and develop through sports.

That opens up a much bigger conversation.

We talk about parents on the sidelines, coaching kids, winning vs. development, playing time, sportsmanship, referee shortages, how competitive youth sports should be, and whether adults sometimes make kids' sports more complicated than they need to be.

Martin has been an official, he's dealt with coaches and players at a high level, and now he's seeing sports through the world of youth athletics.

Those experiences have given him an interesting perspective on one question:

What are we actually supposed to be teaching our kids through sports?

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