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18. Leading from the inside out: Inclusion, belonging, and ending loneliness, with Enya Cai

18. Leading from the inside out: Inclusion, belonging, and ending loneliness, with Enya Cai

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Melissa speaks with Enya Cai, General Manager of Creativity Australia, the national charity behind the With One Voice choir network. With 26 choirs across Australia and a mission to end loneliness through group singing, Creativity Australia sits at a fascinating intersection of community music, social inclusion, and organisational leadership. Enya brings a rare perspective: a childhood spent in the Australian Girls Choir, a career spanning accounting, diversity and inclusion, government policy, and arts management, and a longstanding connection to Creativity Australia that began when she was a teenager volunteering with the organisation. In this conversation, she reflects on what community choir facilitators have in common with corporate leaders, how loneliness really shows up in the people who walk through choir doors, and why patience might be the most underrated skill in both music and life. Key Topics Discussed The With One Voice model: all-inclusive, all-abilities choirs focused on connection over musical perfectionThe skills that transfer between corporate leadership and choir facilitationHow Enya uses vocal warm-ups and arts-based activities in corporate leadership trainingWhy "human-centred" leadership faces pushback, and what's underneath that resistanceHow loneliness manifests in choir participants—and why most wouldn't identify as lonelyThe slow, patient process of belonging: how the choir model meets people where they areThe realities and complications of choir facilitation as work, including emotional wellbeing and financial sustainability Notable Quotes "The point of our choirs is not to be perfect in a musical way—it's to create connections and community wellbeing through what we know is a proven way of creating beautiful, meaningful, strong connections, and that is through singing together." "The skills required to lead in a corporate setting are just as useful, and in some cases essential, and already displayed in community music settings." "Loneliness can be voices in your head that tell you that no one wants to speak to you. Part of our work is to recognise those people and welcome them in." "Patience is one of the keys to my sustainability in this sector, but also one of the biggest lessons we can continue to learn through community music." "With one wave of my magic wand, I would like for our society to value music makers—and for them to be recognised and paid appropriately for that." Resources Mentioned With One Voice choirs — find a choir near you or enquire about facilitator training About Enya Cai Enya Cai is the General Manager of Creativity Australia, the national charity behind the With One Voice choir network—26 all-inclusive, all-abilities choirs across Australia with a mission to end loneliness through group singing. Her connection to the organisation goes back to her teenage years, when she first volunteered with the then-fledgling choir program. Since then, Enya has built a career that spans public policy in the Victorian government, diversity and inclusion at EY, freelance arts management, theatre producing, and leadership coaching for corporate clients. She holds a Bachelor of Commerce and Graduate Diploma of Chartered Accounting, and brings that financial and strategic acumen to the arts sector with genuine purpose. Outside of work, she loves discovering new restaurants and spending time with her cat, Jelly. Connect with Enya Cai Creativity Australia: creativityaustralia.org.auWith One Voice choirs: withonevoice.org.auLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/enyacai/ Episode Highlights 00:01:13 — What Creativity Australia does and the With One Voice mission to end loneliness02:53 — Enya's journey: from the Australian Girls Choir to accounting, diversity and inclusion, government, and back to the arts07:35 — The shared skills of corporate leaders and choir facilitators09:47 — Pushback on human-centred leadership, and what's really behind the resistance11:31 — How Enya starts leadership training: self-reflection first13:33 — Using vocal warm-ups and arts-based play in corporate training sessions16:24 — Why workplaces feel so constraining—physically and spiritually19:13 — Singing groups as workplaces: navigating the real complexities of facilitation19:39 — How loneliness actually shows up in choir participants22:19 — A story of slow, patient transformation: from sitting at the back of the room to performing on stage26:02 — How to join a With One Voice choir or train as a facilitator
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