If you think influence is just about being visible, we need to fix that. In this episode, I’m spilling the tea on why attention is currency—and how leaders are quietly burning through it every time they show up unprepared, over-scripted, or disconnected from the humans on the other side of the room.

I’m joined by speaker, author, and founder of Engagify, Anders Boulanger. After nearly two decades commanding attention on global stages and trade show floors, Anders has cracked the code on what actually makes people listen, trust, and remember you.

We get real about why smart leaders still lose the room, how executive communication has become dangerously dehumanized, and why external engagement failures are far more expensive than most companies realize. From monotone delivery and robotic messaging to leaders who can’t articulate a single original point of view—nothing is off limits.

This isn’t about being flashy. It’s about being effective. And if you’re a leader representing your company in public—investors, media, talent, or the market at large—this conversation is required listening.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

• Why attention isn’t free—and how leaders unknowingly waste it

• The fastest ways executives lose trust the moment they open their mouth

• How to balance authority and warmth without sounding scripted or sloppy

• What “rehumanizing executive communication” actually looks like in practice

Resources & Mentions:

• Learn more about Anders, grab his PDF, and Book: https://engagify.ai/engage-first/

• Follow Anders on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andersboulanger

• Access the white paper: External Influence: The Currency Every Leader Must Carry. https://externalinfluence.us

• Follow Shayna on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shaynarattler/

• Visit our website: https://executivesignalsgroup.com