Maternity leave shouldn't feel like a second full-time job, but here we are. This week Catie and Danielle sit down with Akiko Thayer, founder of Maternity Leave 411 and certified leave management specialist, to break down what nobody tells you about FMLA, state leave laws, and getting paid while you're out. Akiko got into this work after her own employer botched her leave by eight weeks, and she's been fighting for parents ever since.

We cover when to tell your employer you're pregnant, the difference between job protection and paid benefits (they are NOT the same thing), why HR usually doesn't know as much as you think, what dads and partners are actually entitled to, and why "maternity leave" isn't even a real legal term. Plus: should you trust ChatGPT with this stuff? Akiko gives it to us straight.

If you're pregnant, planning to be, or just want to know your rights before you need them, this one's required listening.

Find Akiko with Maternity 411 on Instagram: @maternityleave411 or at maternity411.com

Chapters:

00:00 – Cold open (Danielle can't get through the intro)
00:53 – Meet Akiko Thayer, founder of Maternity Leave 411
01:15 – Quick catch-up: kids, ages, and summer camp chaos
04:50 – Akiko's origin story: how a botched leave turned into a business
07:53 – Why maternity leave is so confusing (FMLA + state laws + employer policy)
09:37 – Why HR isn't always the expert you think they are
11:01 – Does Akiko work with companies, not just individuals?
13:32 – When to tell your employer you're pregnant (and why earlier can help)
16:52 – Short-term disability vs. paid family leave, decoded
21:53 – The #1 mistake: confusing job protection with getting paid
25:21 – How employer pay and state benefits work together
26:54 – Paternity leave for dads and partners is underused — here's why it matters
29:02 – Catie and Danielle share how much leave their partners actually took
33:04 – How to prep for leave: get it in writing
35:12 – Bed rest and how it eats into your FMLA weeks
38:11 – The legal terms you should actually use (hint: "maternity leave" isn't one)
40:03 – Akiko's #1 piece of advice: research, research, research
41:24 – Should you use ChatGPT for leave questions? Where it helps and where it fails
44:03 – Where to find Akiko and get her help