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 Interviews with AI researchers talking about the latest AI researchCopyright 2026 Palisade Research Politique et gouvernement Science
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    • Do AI Models Lie on Purpose? Scheming, Deception, and Alignment with Marius Hobbhahn of Apollo Research

      Do AI Models Lie on Purpose? Scheming, Deception, and Alignment with Marius Hobbhahn of Apollo Research
      Jan 17 2026

      Marius Hobbhahn is the CEO and co-founder of Apollo Research. Through a joint research project with OpenAI, his team discovered that as models become more capable, they are developing the ability to hide their true reasoning from human oversight.

      Jeffrey Ladish, Executive Director of Palisade Research, talks with Marius about this work. They discuss the difference between hallucination and deliberate deception and the urgent challenge of aligning increasingly capable AI systems.

      Links:

      Marius’ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mariushobbhahn

      Apollo Research Twitter: https://twitter.com/apolloaievals

      Apollo Research: https://www.apolloresearch.ai

      Palisade Research: https://palisaderesearch.org/

      Twitter/X: https://x.com/PalisadeAI

      Anti-Scheming Project: https://www.antischeming.ai

      Research paper “Stress Testing Deliberative Alignment for Anti-Scheming Training”: https://www.arxiv.org/pdf/2509.15541

      Blog posts from OpenAI and Apollo: https://openai.com/index/detecting-and-reducing-scheming-in-ai-models/ https://www.apolloresearch.ai/research/stress-testing-deliberative-alignment-for-anti-scheming-training/
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