What does AI mean for the future of Hypermedia?
1. React takes over in an AI feedback loop?
2. Frameworks don't matter -- back to basics?
3. Full-stack frameworks are everything?

Just some thoughts about preparing
while you are in a good space to prepare

Tony Ennis joins me to talk about how websites can be built with simplicity and power using new html and browser standards.

================== EPISODE LINKS
Tony on X: https://x.com/tonyennis
Html First: https://html-first.com
Mini JS: https://mini-js.com
Base Styles: https://base-styles.com
Tony's talk at big Sky: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aknX6xq8Vfg
Una at Google IO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTCIStB6y8s

================== CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro to Tony
00:34 Tony's work at Really Good Software
02:17 "My whole thing though is ..."
05:03 The Platform and a Stylesheet talk
07:18 Html tag list
07:26 Una and the Chrome dev team making progress
09:10 Popovers
11:56 New UI Elements in Html 2023 vs 2025
12:34 Modal
15:48 select with selectedcontent tag
16:27 Multi-selects (they are still bad, but working on it)
16:50 datalist (autocomplete)
20:22 Async in HTML (replacing htmx?)
28:57 Where React is preferred
34:40 The Front-end spectrum -- Mini JS
45:52 Mini-js code example
50:43 Laz on why html is great at UI
52:30 Why a five-year-old can learn html
55:21 Building mobile apps with React Native and webviews
59:50 Server-driven web apps
1:05:45 Base styles (unreleased minimal CSS framework)
1:10:25 CSS Layers for siloing your libraries

Who are the big names in hypermedia, even if they don't know it?

Obviously: Carson Gross (Htmx, fixi), Delaney Gillilan (Datastar), Alex Petros (HTML triptych), Adam Stepinski (Hyperview)
BUT ALSO: Caleb Porzio, Aaron Francis, Levels io, and DHH??

Embrace the backend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQO4Xh1gMpY

with Jon-Michael Hartway

47:16 MY MIND IS BLOWN
Jon-Michael does something pretty crazy here. His entire 3D scene is static HTML. The 3d movement only comes from swapping out the style tag and the CSS!?!???!

===================== BIG SKY DEV CON TALK
Building things for Twitter Clout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQzpyIXdzcE

===================== 3D GAME
Demo: https://htmx-3d.deastl.com/
Github: https://github.com/DeaSTL/3d-htmx-game

===================== FLAPPY BIRD
Github: https://github.com/DeaSTL/flappybird-htmx
**** Includes video!

===================== Chapters (From AI)
00:00 Introduction to Jon-Michael Hartway
02:22 Development Background and Programming Journey
05:10 HTMX Experiments and Flappy Bird Game
07:35 Technical Insights on Game Development
10:09 Challenges and Server Management
12:47 Exploring Twitter Clout Projects
18:54 Rule #1: Viral
19:34 Rule #2: Ridiculous
20:56 Rule #3: The wrong tech
26:56 Rule #4: Low scope
29:42 Rule #5: Fun
29:50 Challenges of 3D Rendering in CSS
33:39 Understanding Gimbal Lock and Camera Mechanics
37:57 Implementing Multiplayer with WebSockets
41:18 Innovative Use of CSS for 3D Positioning
46:21 Future Projects and Learning Experiences

Direct your different response codes to different places!

Official Docs: https://htmx.org/extensions/response-targets/

Hypecp example: https://hypecp.com/#htmx-response-targets

"We do these things not because they are easy, but because we thought they would be easy."
-Lazarus, on creating conference recaps

=================== CHAPTERS:
00:00 - Intro, Aaron Francis, Primeagen
01:19 - 01 - Carson Gross - API Design
04:40 - 02 - Stephanie Gredell - From Human To Bots
07:04 - 03 - typecraft (Chris Power) - VaaS (Vim as a service) -- How to teach vim to thousands of people with Rails and Go
10:28 - 04 - Robbie Wagner - HTML is stealing our jobs!
13:20 - 05 - Warren Buffering - Browsers are for Reads, Native Apps are for Writes
16:49 - 06 - Jon-Michael Hartway - Building things for twitter clout
20:00 - 07 - Ken Wheeler - you can just build things
22:55 - 08 - Duncan Lutz - Potatoes Go Brrr: Adventures in High-Speed Embedded Rust
25:08 - 09 - Mike Amundsen - Making Connections and Solving Problems : Hypermedia's Legacy and Future
29:22 - 10 - Barrett A Breshears - Backends?!? Where we are going we don't need backends
32:41 - 11 - Adam Stepinski - Extending vs Scripting: Lessons from building the Hyperview client
36:47 - 12 - Alex Petros - What's Left for Frontend Engineers?
41:30 - 13 - Dennis Ivy - Why good developers fail interviews
44:55 - 14 - Turner Houghton - JSX minus react plus htmx
47:23 - 15 - Tony Ennis - The Platform and a Stylesheet (A path to Platform / SPA Parity)
54:23 - 16 - Dan Vail I'm dumb and so can you!
57:27 - Closing

=================== TALKS MENTIONED:

Aaron Francis "Publishing Your Work" - Laracon US 2023 Nashville
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YaEtaXYVtI

The Primeagen on Lex Fridman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNZnLkRBYA8

Big Sky Dev Con 2025 Playlist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTstnhS3moc&list=PLE57lymIlIyVXwAO-pO6gvMmnd6isAFTR

01 - Carson Gross - API Design
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTstnhS3moc

02 - Stephanie Gredell - From Human To Bots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sd_09Ci2cM

03 - typecraft (Chris Power) - VaaS (Vim as a service) -- How to teach vim to thousands of people with Rails and Go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfH-hzl3al8

04 - Robbie Wagner - HTML is stealing our jobs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdocEPDlwYM

05 - Warren Buffering - Browsers are for Reads, Native Apps are for Writes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojy5pQLJ_RQ

06 - Jon-Michael Hartway - Building things for twitter clout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQzpyIXdzcE

07 - Ken Wheeler - you can just build things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8WcV7LdnvU

08 - Duncan Lutz - Potatoes Go Brrr: Adventures in High-Speed Embedded Rust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu0hUxz6cJ0

09 - Mike Amundsen - Making Connections and Solving Problems : Hypermedia's Legacy and Future
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-GQhQs671k

10 - Barrett A Breshears - Backends?!? Where we are going we don't need backends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4CECgmr96s

11 - Adam Stepinski - Extending vs Scripting: Lessons from building the Hyperview client
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJdgZsnihnM

12 - Alex Petros - What's Left for Frontend Engineers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7M2inHiT4Y

13 - Dennis Ivy - Why good developers fail interviews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uWfmFCwmII

14 - Turner Houghton - JSX minus react plus htmx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x51t1pQ_gAg

15 - Tony Ennis - The Platform and a Stylesheet (A path to Platform / SPA Parity)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aknX6xq8Vfg

16 - Dan Vail I'm dumb and so can you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlmsRmarXA0

Adds pre-loading to your links and hx-get requests for that extra bit of speed.

https://htmx.org/extensions/preload

Examples:
https://hypecp.com/#htmx-preload