In this episode of the podcast, we're tackling a question many female real estate investors face: Should you invest in real estate if you have credit card debt? We share how tools like 0% APR cards can be used strategically for renovations—when you have the cash and discipline to pay them off—while explaining why it’s nearly impossible to out-invest 20–30% credit card interest. We break down key red flags, including making only minimum payments, having no emergency reserves, and relying on rental cash flow to cover interest with no plan to eliminate principal.

We walk through a few cases where investing while carrying debt might make sense, such as a conservative flip or a house hack that significantly reduces your housing costs, allowing you to attack debt faster. Lastly, we discuss using reserves, selling, or refinancing properties to pay off high-interest credit cards, and the mindset shift from avoidance to taking small, quick-win steps forward.

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In this episode, we tackle a big question for women building wealth through real estate: should you invest when you have credit card debt—and can credit cards ever be used strategically? Guest Malia Gudenkauf, also known as Little Miss Finance, breaks down when credit card debt is a hard no, when it might be acceptable, and why paying off 20–30% interest often beats chasing the next deal.

We dig into the difference between using a 0% APR promo card versus revolving high-interest debt, plus the few situations where investing with debt can make sense, such as a conservative cosmetic flip or a house hack that slashes your housing costs so you can attack balances faster. We also flag major red flags, such as making only minimum payments, relying on rental cash flow to cover interest, and investing without reserves.

Beyond the numbers, we talk about the stress of debt, the habit of “burying your head in the sand,” and how real estate should expand your life—not add panic. For more shame-free money guidance from Malia, visit her website or follow her on Instagram.

Resources:

• Simplify how you manage your rentals with TurboTenant
• Get in touch with Envy Investment Group
• Connect with Malia on Instagram
• Visit Malia's website for deets on working with her
• Make sure your name is on the list to secure your spot in The WIIRE Community
• Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts
• Leave us a review on Spotify
• Join our private Facebook Community
• Connect with us on Instagram

Real estate didn’t just change our income—it transformed our time, relationships, and what we believe is possible for our lives. In this episode, we share honestly about the lifestyle shifts we’ve experienced since becoming real estate investors: non-traditional work weeks, flexible days built around things we love (like pickleball, personal training, and slow Fridays), and the ability to travel or go home for weeks at a time without asking for PTO.

We talk about how our social circles have completely changed as we’ve surrounded ourselves with ambitious women who talk about equity, mindset, and expansion. Amelia opens up about leaving a 9-year relationship, how having her own portfolio gave her the option to walk away, and why you can still invest even if your partner isn’t on board.

We also break down how real estate has made us financially stronger through debt paydown, equity, tax benefits, and the confidence that we can go out and make more money because we have the skills. If you’re a woman who wants more freedom, alignment, and audacity in your life, this conversation will feel like a glimpse of what’s possible for you, too.

Resources:

• Simplify how you manage your rentals with TurboTenant
• Get in touch with Envy Investment Group
• Make sure your name is on the list to secure your spot in The WIIRE Community
• Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts
• Leave us a review on Spotify
• Join our private Facebook Community
• Connect with us on Instagram