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"What in the world does that verse mean?" This show tackles the hardest Bible verses to understand. Each episode, host Kirk E. Miller interviews an expert guest to discuss a text in the Bible that is known to be challenging to interpret. They do in-depth Bible study and survey scholars' interpretations. By investigating the strangest and hardest Bible verses, What in the Word? gets below the surface to learn their implications for understanding God and living the Christian life. Subscribe and join us weekly on Spotify, YouTube, and other podcast platforms. Learn more: https://bit.ly/3DYhMjPPresented by Logos Christianisme Ministère et évangélisme Spiritualité
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  • What Is the Curse of Ham? | Chad Bird on Genesis 9:18–29
    May 6 2026

    Join Kirk E. Miller and Old Testament scholar Chad Bird as they discuss the so-called "Curse of Ham" in one of the Bible's most cryptic and infamously abused passages: Genesis 9:18–29.


    Discover the different views on the nature of Ham's sin, why Noah curses his son Canaan instead of Ham, and how to properly interpret and apply this passage.


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    Outline:

    (00:00) Curse of Ham: Intro

    (01:00) Meet Chad Bird

    (02:08) Genesis 9 Context

    (06:11) Reading the Passage

    (07:15) Why It’s Debated

    (10:31) Ham’s Sin Theories

    (12:46) Sexual Violation View

    (18:07) Incest With Mother View

    (22:05) Verse 23 Literal Clue

    (24:13) Seeing or Sexual Sin

    (25:29) Genesis as Sexual Narrative

    (26:41) Voyeurism and Noahs Curse

    (28:10) Why Curse Canaan

    (31:24) Prophecy of Israel and Canaan

    (33:52) Debunking Curse of Ham Slavery

    (38:00) Role in Genesis Meta Narrative

    (38:40) Promise Line Narrows to Messiah

    (43:06) Blessing and Cursing Theme

    (47:05) Preaching and Final Wrap

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    49 min
  • Did Paul Allegorize Sarah & Hagar? | David deSilva on Galatians 4:21–31
    Apr 29 2026

    In Galatians 4:21–31, the Apostle Paul refers to the story of Sarah and Hagar as an allegory. But what does he mean by that? Does he impose foreign ideas onto the Genesis account?


    Join host Kirk E. Miller and New Testament scholar David deSilva as they tackle this difficult passage, exploring how Paul’s use of the Old Testament is a powerful and sophisticated defense of God’s redemptive promises to be received by faith.


    Get a free Mobile Ed course when you start a free trial: https://www.logos.com/show/what-in-the-word?utm_source=spotify&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=show-witw

    Learn more about the episode: https://www.logos.com/grow/witw-moses-sin-promised-land?utm_source=spotify&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=show-witw


    Episode outline:(00:45) Meet David DeSilva

    (01:58) Galatians 4

    (02:45) Galatiam Crisis Context

    (05:58) Covenants and Circumcision

    (07:51) Why This Passage Is Hard

    (12:00) Reading Galatians 4:21-31

    (13:51) What Allegorically Means

    (16:46) Typology vs Allegory

    (18:07) Paul Reverses Lineage

    (22:01) Galatians 3 Groundwork

    (24:35) Torah and Pedagogue

    (27:20) Word Study Deep Dive

    (28:30) Typology Versus Figural

    (29:46) Paul’s Argument in Galatians

    (34:14) Genesis Infertility Theme

    (37:25) Spirit and Scripture Authority

    (40:10) Hagar and Sarah Correspondences

    (43:28) Isaiah 54 and Mission

    (45:31) Logos Study Workflow

    (47:35) Pastoral Takeaways Freedom

    (51:46) Preaching This Passage

    (55:46) Wrap Up and Next Steps

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    56 min
  • Why Couldn't Moses Enter the Promised Land? | Michael Morales on Numbers 20
    Apr 22 2026

    Why did God forbid Moses, the great leader whom God used to lead Israel out of Egypt, from entering the Promised Land? In this episode of What in the Word? Michael Morales joins Kirk E. Miller to tackle one of the more perplexing passages in the Old Testament: Numbers 20.


    Together they unpack the text's rich theological layers, explaining how Moses's failure to "sanctify" God by publicly misrepresenting his character before the people.


    Get a free Mobile Ed course when you start a free trial: https://www.logos.com/show/what-in-the-word?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=show-witw

    Learn more about the episode: https://www.logos.com/grow/witw-moses-sin-promised-land?utm_source=spotify&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=show-witw


    Outline:

    (00:00) Moses and the Rock

    (00:44) Meet Michael Morales

    (03:10) Why Numbers 20 Is Hard

    (04:15) Reading the Passage

    (06:11) Setting the Wilderness Context

    (10:16) Common Views on Moses Sin

    (14:32) Rebellion at Meribah

    (15:56) Exodus 17 Parallels

    (18:22) Aaron Rod and Kingship

    (22:47) Misrepresenting God Holiness

    (25:06) Moses Misrepresents God

    (26:15) Ezekiel Temple Waters

    (26:53) Whose Rod Was It

    (28:36) High Handed Rebellion

    (31:06) Why The Sin Matters

    (34:24) Hinge To New Generation

    (37:13) Edom Sandwich Structure

    (40:59) Kingship Theme Emerges

    (41:59) Practical Takeaways Today

    (47:55) Teaching And Preaching Tips

    (50:54) Final Thanks And Outro

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    52 min
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