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We've Got To Talk

We've Got To Talk

De : Nicole Fonarow and Jolene Conway
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Our story begins in the halls of the University of Iowa, go Hawks! It was there that two seemingly different paths intersected and a friendship blossomed. Despite our different upbringings—Jolene in little Pleasantville, Iowa, and me, Nicole, just across the Golden Gate Bridge in the bustling Bay Area—we became fast friends. And here we are, almost 40 years later, living in a world that often seems intent on drawing lines in the sand and choosing sides. So why "We've Got To Talk"? Because we truly believe that in this deeply divided society, the power of conversation can unite us. Our goal isn't to change each other's opinions, but to listen with curiosity, kindness, and empathy. And yes, to have a good time while doing it! We invite you to join us on this journey and bring your friends along. We might not have all the answers or any of them—but we promise honesty, empathy, and a lot of heart. We hope our conversations give you a fresh outlook or at least entertain you as you go about your day.Copyright 2026 Nicole Fonarow and Jolene Conway Politique et gouvernement Sciences politiques Sciences sociales
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    • Is America buying Greenland or not?
      Jan 28 2026

      Some headlines don’t feel real and yet here we are. In this episode, we unpack Trump floating the idea of America buying Greenland (yes, Greenland) and why a story that sounds like satire is actually tied to serious geopolitics, Arctic security, and America’s relationship with allies like Denmark.

      We take a look at why Greenland matters: its strategic location between North America and Europe, growing importance in the Arctic, and the military and economic interests that come with it. Even if the delivery sounds unserious, the underlying interest isn’t automatically crazy and that’s what makes this headline worth talking about.

      But we also talk about how leadership shows up on the world stage. Trump’s off-the-cuff style and public pressure tactics can turn diplomacy into a spectacle, and diplomacy doesn’t work when allies feel humiliated or treated like they’re negotiating a property sale. The result isn’t just awkward headlines, it’s distrust.

      And honestly, this isn’t only about Greenland. It’s about political fatigue: the constant “wait, is this real?” whiplash and what it does to public trust. Is strong leadership boldness, restraint, diplomacy, transparency, or some mix of all four? Drop your thoughts in the comments (keep it respectful).

      CHAPTER MARKERS:

      00:00 Introduction

      00:32 Discussing Greenland

      02:02 Trump's Controversial Actions

      05:33 Global Reactions and Media Frenzy

      06:54 Strategic Importance of Greenland

      07:49 Rare Earth Minerals and Geopolitical Moves

      08:40 Trump's Negotiation Tactics

      13:26 Debating US Foreign Policy

      25:41 Historical Context and World Order

      27:59 European Union's Reaction to Trump's Greenland Comments

      28:26 Global Reactions and Military Posturing

      29:28 Embarrassment on the World Stage

      29:53 The Future of Diplomacy

      30:22 The Role of Media and Public Perception

      30:30 Standing Up to Bullies

      32:16 Greenland's Importance and Reactions

      34:34 Media Coverage and Public Fatigue

      44:58 Final Thoughts

      RESOURCES MENTIONED:

      1. AP News (Greenland, U.S., Denmark, Trump, Vance, Rubio meeting): https://apnews.com/article/greenland-united-states-denmark-trump-vance-rubio-meeting-b10f5151008f1f18a788dc0751473c0e

      Good for the Soul
      1. Matter Neuroscience (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/matterneuroscience/
      2. “The Emperor’s New Clothes” (Hans Christian Andersen): https://americanliterature.com/author/hans-christian-andersen/short-story/the-emperors-new-clothes

      LINKS:

      On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

      On YouTube:

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      47 min
    • U.S. Surrogacy and Birthright Citizenship: When Money Writes the Rules
      Jan 21 2026

      Surrogacy can be a deeply meaningful path to parenthood and it can also be a billion-dollar industry. In this episode, we unpack what happens when “building a family” starts looking like a marketplace, and who actually gets protected when money, contracts, and power enter something as serious as pregnancy and birth.

      We talk about why the U.S. has become a major global destination for surrogacy, and how inconsistent, state-by-state rules can create a system where the wealthy get options and the vulnerable take on the risk. When an industry grows faster than the guardrails, it’s not just messy, it can become exploitative.

      We also dig into the 14th Amendment and birthright citizenship, and the uncomfortable question it raises: what happens when a right designed to protect the vulnerable becomes a tool the powerful can leverage? This isn’t about demonising parents or children - it’s about whether citizenship and reproduction are being treated like commodities.

      Finally, we ask what regulation could look like without being “anti-family”: stronger protections for surrogates, clearer standards that prioritise the well-being of the child, and real accountability when things go wrong. If you’re pro-surrogacy, anti-surrogacy, or somewhere in the middle, we hope this episode helps you ask better questions and keeps the conversation honest.

      CHAPTER MARKERS:

      00:00 Introduction

      00:29 Billionaires and US Surrogacy

      00:49 The MO News Podcast and Initial Reactions

      02:47 Understanding the 14th Amendment and Birthright Citizenship

      04:40 The Surrogacy Industry: Agencies and Regulations

      05:20 International Billionaires and Surrogacy

      06:40 Ethical and Social Implications

      08:17 Legal and Regulatory Challenges

      10:16 Personal Stories and Opinions

      11:34 The Role of Money and Power

      12:59 Conservative and Liberal Perspectives

      21:36 Potential Solutions and Legislation

      26:07 Peter Thiel's IVF Agencies in Southeast Asia

      26:24 Religious Views and Surrogacy Ethics

      27:20 Surrogacy Laws and the 14th Amendment

      28:11 Protecting Surrogates and Babies

      30:47 Bipartisan Efforts for Surrogacy Regulation

      33:52 Global Surrogacy Practices and US Regulations

      36:47 The Future of Surrogacy and Legal Recourse

      41:22 Call to Action: Advocating for Surrogacy Laws

      45:10 Good for the Soul: Kindness Army

      46:31 Would You Rather: Surrogacy and Citizenship

      RESOURCES MENTIONED:

      Instagram Reel: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSWnB_xjRZc/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

      1. Chinese Billionaires, Surrogacy, Pregnancy: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/chinese-billionaires-surrogacy-pregnancy-7fdfc0c3?reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
      2. What to Know: Surrogacy + China + Billionaires:
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      52 min
    • 2026 Is Already a Lot: Venezuela, ICE Shootings, Minnesota Fraud and Iran Uprising
      Jan 14 2026

      2026 didn’t ease in gently — it kicked the door in. In this episode, Nicole (liberal) and Jolene (conservative) unpack three headlines that are already shaping the year: the Trump administration’s high-stakes move in Venezuela, the immigration firestorm at home (including ICE shootings and the Minnesota fraud scandal), and the uprising in Iran unfolding through a media blackout.

      We talk about Venezuela as a foreign policy flashpoint; is this decisive strategy, reckless escalation, or something in between? And we keep coming back to the same question: what’s the plan after the headline? Because “shock and awe” isn’t a foreign policy, and the people who pay first are rarely the ones making the decisions.

      Back in the U.S., we dig into how immigration debates get weaponised; how real events become political symbols, and how quickly entire communities get judged by the actions of a few. We wrestle with the tension between law enforcement and social justice, and what it looks like to enforce laws without losing your humanity.

      And then there’s Iran. Courage in the dark, and the world’s silence. We explore the moral weight of “intervention” vs “do nothing,” and why everything now feels like a loyalty test. If you’re overwhelmed by 2026 already… same. Drop your thoughts in the comments — especially if you disagree — and keep it respectful.


      RESOURCES MENTIONED:

      Good for the Soul:

      1. Yes Theory (Instagram): https://www.instagram.com/yestheory/?hl=en
      2. YouTube Video: https://youtu.be/Zw0c2fmv1RM?si=1aVkJiD8q0zYHjhG


      LINKS:

      On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/

      On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk

      How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/


      How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

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      1 h et 20 min
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