One of the great honors and treasures of my life is that I actually got to speak with Dr. Michael Heiser in 2015, and I’m going to share that conversation with you today.

Not only did I speak with him- this was also the first time I’d ever even heard of the guy. He was not really a big name yet. His epic work The Unseen Realm released that year; that was the book that put him on the map.

And at that time, I hosted a radio program at that time where I interviewed Christian authors, and an advanced copy for Michael Heiser’s book Supernatural came across my desk, and I thought it looked interesting, so I requested a conversation, and that’s how I “met” Michael Heiser, and my life has never been the same since.

I’ve actually read every book he’s written, up until he sadly passed away from cancer in 2023. This week, I’m finishing The Unseen Realm for the third or fourth time- which now has an updated and expanded edition, by the way.

And thank goodness I kept a record of my old interviews because I was actually able to go back and find this brief discussion I was able to have with him. So I’m going to share that with you today. Next week, we’ll get back into our book of Enoch series. I’m just taking a brief break from that here in April to share last week’s and now this week’s special interview.

So a couple notes before we begin. Back in those days, I used a radio name. For real. So when I come on here in a minute, I won’t say my name is Luke Taylor. I’ll introduce myself as Clark Matthews. But it is for-real me. I just had a secret identity back then. And I still think Clark is a way cooler name than Luke, but I don’t use it anymore.

Two- this is really embarrassing but I actually mispronounce Dr. Heiser’s name all through the interview. I cringe so hard when I hear this now, I have no idea why he didn’t correct me; maybe he didn’t catch it. I do remember he was very kind off-air both before and after the interview. I obviously didn’t realize at the time the incredible person I was speaking with, but I remember him being very patient and humble. I had opportunities to interview some big-name people over the years, and sometimes they could actually be kinda pushy or rude behind the scenes. But Dr. Heiser was a genuinely nice guy. I miss him, but I’m super thankful to God that I got to actually speak with him while he was on this earth.

As you listen to this, I think you’ll hear how he influenced me. I probably barely even knew what a podcast was in 2015, but in this interview, you’ll probably recognize the seeds of my own thought process about the Bible, which led to a podcast like this even existing.

So with that introduction, let’s get weird with Clark Matthews and Dr. Michael Heiser…

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Brian Godawa- author of the new release Daniel: Exile in Babylon- comes back to the podcast today to discuss geopolitical spiritual warfare and the infighting within the Divine Council. Brian has a vision of how the spiritual realm operates and brings it to life in his Chronicles of the Watchers series.

Check out all the books he’s written at his website: www.godawa.com

You can WATCH this interview here: https://youtu.be/M388kMAG2aU

Questions I ask in this interview:

- Tell us about the Chronicles of the Watchers

- Those these books are “fictional,” what are some ways your readers will learn about true history?

- Why do the Watchers battle not just God, but each other?

- How does Satan factor into these conflicts between the Watchers?

- What happens to a Watcher on the Divine Council if he turns against God? Is he kicked out?

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Well, next week is April 15, which means your taxes are coming due. So if you woke up today and said, “Man, it sure would be great if God consumed the whole world in a fiery destruction that wiped away all life and memory of mankind and the IRS from the earth…” then I have some good news. That’s actually in the works.

Now, it probably won’t be next week, but it is gonna happen. And how do I know? Because Peter told me about it.

II Peter 3:10 says

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.

And for the record, the Book of Enoch tells us similar things. It was written about the future Second Coming of Christ. Enoch’s book tells us things about the Second Coming long before even Christ’s first coming. It even tells us how the mountains will melt like wax before the Lord at His return. We’re gonna look at some of that today.

But wait a minute- didn’t God promise to never destroy the world again after the flood?

In Genesis 8:21 and 22, God says

“I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man's heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done. 22 While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.”

So wait- is God actually gonna destroy the world someday- or am I gonna have to just keep paying taxes forever and ever?

We’re going to answer that question today. And it won’t take long, actually. But after that, I want to explore a few questions that you all, the listeners, have been sending in lately about the Book of Enoch. Because today is going to finish up chapter 10, as well as 11, and this will actually finish up a section of the book, which makes it a good time to address some of your burning questions, like:

• were there female giants?
• Is there any good reason to think that the Book of Enoch was actually written and somehow preserved through the flood?
• And why does windshield wiper fluid have to look so delicious?

That last one is actually one of my own questions, and I don’t have an answer. It’s just something that’s been bothering me this week because I had to refill the windshield wiper fluid on my vehicle and… is it just me or does anyone else wonder what flavor that is. (I’ve had a little bit too much coffee this morning so there’s a lot of thoughts going through my head right now.)

So why does God say He’s not going to destroy the world again after Noah gets off the Ark, yet II Peter 3 tells us He’s going to do exactly that?

I find this to be weird, and I’d like to explore why it’s in the bible.

Turn with me to Genesis 8 and let’s get weird.

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0:00 - Introduction

3:35 - Genesis 8 & Enoch 10-11

8:45 - Read the Fine Print

15:15 - Mailbag- Why Trust Enoch?

26:05 - Mailbag- Jesus’ Privacy

27:10 - Mailbag- Female Giants?

28:35 - Closing Thoughts

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If you’re intrigued by strange Bible stories, uncovering Bible mysteries, or learning about unusual biblical teachings, this podcast is for you! Dive deep into weird Bible facts, biblical controversies, and the supernatural in the Bible, while exploring the hidden stories of the Bible you may have never heard. Get a fresh perspective as we explain the Bible in ways that challenge the norm and uncover the unexpected. I’m so glad you’re here- don’t forget to SUBSCRIBE so that you never miss an episode!