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What do you do with stories of people seeing their own double? Is it folklore? Brain malfunction? Astral projection? A demonic imitation? A flesh-and-blood mystery? Or something stranger that does not fit neatly into our modern categories?

In this episode rewind, Brandon Spain and Lindsy Waters explore the strange phenomenon of doppelgangers, also known as “double walkers.” The conversation moves through folklore, famous cases, biblical passages, cryptid encounters, scientism, spiritual laws, and the unsettling human ability to recognize when something looks almost human but not quite.

The episode begins with the German meaning of doppelganger as “double goer” or “double walker,” then moves into historical and cultural examples like the Irish fetch, changeling stories, Abraham Lincoln, Catherine the Great, Percy Shelley, John Donne, Goethe, and the mysterious case of Pauline Picard. Brandon and Lindsy also look at the famous Emily Sage case, where an entire classroom reportedly saw a teacher’s double.

The conversation also takes a biblical turn with Peter’s “angel” in Acts, the disciples thinking Jesus on the water was a ghost, and the larger question of whether Jewish thought had categories for spirit doubles or familiar beings. From there, the guys explore autoscopy, heutoscopy, sleep paralysis, astral projection, DMT, cryptids that mimic human voices, and the limits of purely material explanations.

This is not a neat and tidy answer episode. It’s an Unrefined conversation about mystery, discernment, supernatural reality, and why Christians should be careful not to reduce every strange thing to either “just science” or “just demons.”

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Timestamps:
00:00:06 Opening hook about fake humans and real humans

00:00:28 Brandon introduces the episode

00:00:53 Brandon and Lindsy introduce doppelgangers and doubles

00:01:45 The meaning of doppelganger as double goer or double walker

00:03:07 Looking at the topic through science and the supernatural

00:05:31 Clones and God-breathed spirit questions

00:07:58 Changelings, twins, impostors, and switched identities

00:10:27 The uncanny valley and why the brain notices false humanity

00:11:00 Emily Sage and the classroom that reportedly saw her double

00:12:47 Astral projection possibilities and gray areas Christians avoid

00:15:09 Pauline Picard and the Brittany mystery

00:17:19 The found girl in Cherbourg who did not recognize her family

00:19:26 The family, neighbors, and confession angle

00:20:57 Flesh-and-blood double versus apparition

00:23:20 Cultural and biblical categories for doubles

00:25:46 Peter’s angel, ghosts, cryptids, and imitation

00:28:14 Pursuing truth without forcing every case into one box

00:28:56 Autoscopy, heutoscopy, and seeing oneself

00:30:40 Brain tumors, perception, and possible supernatural overlap

00:31:54 Astral projection, meditation, psychotropics, and spiritual danger

00:34:20 Abraham Lincoln’s double and Mary Todd Lincoln’s interpretation

00:37:32 Fear of the supernatural and angelic encounters

00:39:52 Catherine the Great and the double on the throne

00:42:17 Spiritual laws, secondary causes, and the science of the spirit

00:43:23 Historical doppelganger accounts including John Donne and Goethe

00:45:33 Vardøger, déjà vu, time, and alternate reality questions

00:47:32 Percy Shelley’s disturbing double

00:49:40 Sleep paralysis, shadow figures, and doppelganger speculation

In this collab between Unrefined, Reformed Fringe and Biblical Re-enchantment, Brandon sits down with Anthony Delgado and Doug Van Dorn to move past the basic question of whether giants existed and into the bigger theological issue: why does Scripture keep bringing them up? The conversation traces Nephilim, Rephaim, Genesis 3:15, the seed war, blood, atonement, territorial powers, Mount Hermon, Ezekiel 28, empire, tyranny, and why every strange thread still has to lead us back to Christ.

Timestamps:
00:03:10 Why studying giants matters biblically

00:03:37 Anthony on being honest with strange biblical texts

00:05:21 Giants in the story from Genesis to Revelation

00:07:35 Doug on Andre the Giant, Nephilim bloodlines, and salvation

00:09:48 Are Nephilim always evil and could David’s mighty men be connected

00:12:11 Saul, Jonathan, giant language, and demonization

00:14:28 Giants, blood, atonement, and modern theological drift

00:16:25 Genesis 3:15, the seed war, and why giants matter

00:18:24 Human blood, the Messiah, and genetic corruption

00:20:16 Anthony on Leviticus, atonement, and progressive revelation

00:22:38 A form of godliness while denying the supernatural power of the text

00:24:57 The image of God, spiritual corruption, and materialist hermeneutics

00:27:02 Doug on evangelical materialism and supernatural Scripture

00:29:22 Why giants cannot become the endpoint of interpretation

00:31:42 First Enoch, bloodshed, and sons of false gods

00:34:08 Messianic expectation and the blood of Jesus

00:36:34 Reading Enoch, Jubilees, and Scripture through Messiah

00:38:56 Deuteronomy 32 and ancient textual disagreements

00:41:17 Eschatology, demons, and the days of Noah

00:43:39 Giants, Revelation, and end-times speculation

00:46:02 Reading giants symbolically without losing history

00:48:26 Tyranny, beast imagery, empires, and Revelation

00:50:20 Antichrist, counterfeit sons of God, and inverted worship

00:52:44 So above so below and the counterfeit pattern

00:55:05 Geography, territory, Mount Hermon, and giant locations

00:57:00 Poseidon, Atlantis, Tyre, Hercules, and territorial gods

00:59:25 Satan, the king of Tyre, and Ezekiel 28

01:01:49 Princes, beast imagery, and rulers as images of powers

01:04:07 Baal, Zeus, Alexander, and storm god syncretism

01:06:16 The Angel of the Lord, Yahweh’s inheritance, and the Son

01:08:32 Doug’s final thoughts on putting giants into systematic theology

01:10:43 Spiritual warfare, Ephesians 6, and word-and-spirit theology

01:13:03 Anthony on tyranny, empire, and misplaced hope in rulers

01:15:30 Systems of tyranny, media, corporations, and education

01:17:50 Christian nationalism, political spirits, and final reflections

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In this sponsors-only conversation, Brandon, Lindsy, and Jen slow down one of the most expected but least explained parts of the Christian life: hearing God. They talk through fear, Scripture, the Holy Spirit, peace, imagination, journaling, breathing, emotional honesty, and how to recognize God’s voice without drifting into weirdness or reducing the relationship to a checklist.

Timestamps:
00:00:48 Brandon introduces the topic of hearing God
00:02:15 Why believers are expected to hear God but rarely taught how
00:03:17 Lindsy shares his early tension around cessationism and charismatic caution
00:05:35 Why Scripture alone without relationship can feel like letters without conversation
00:07:52 Fear as one of the main reasons people resist hearing God
00:08:38 Jen reads John 10 and wrestles with the phrase my sheep hear my voice

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Today's guest shares a redemption story that runs through childhood spiritual sensitivity, occult deception, counterfeit supernatural power, and a real encounter with Jesus that changed everything. This episode moves from dark spiritual territory into healing, deliverance, identity, and the power of Christ to restore what the enemy tried to claim. Brandon chats with Wendy Sadd.

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Timestamps:
00:03:10 Bloodlines, trauma, iniquity, and the blood of Jesus
00:08:02 The church to cauldron pipeline
00:12:39 Pennsylvania roots, church history, and Masonic ties in the bloodline
00:14:55 Childhood demonic encounters and early spiritual sensitivity
00:17:58 Scrying, automatic writing, and early occult behavior
00:20:20 The voice at sixteen and the prophecy that marked her path
00:27:24 Turning 42, getting red-pilled, and starting the search for God
00:29:35 Why spiritually hungry people can drift into counterfeit power
00:34:24 Under the tutelage of occult teachers and a New Age walk-in
00:39:02 Light body activation and astral travel
00:41:18 A face to face encounter with another Jesus
00:47:59 Spiritual interference during the recording and live prayer
00:52:31 Reiki, yoga, worship, and the body in spiritual practice
00:59:25 Reiki training and demonic beings attached to healing sessions
01:01:46 The Lords of Karma and the Akashic records
01:04:15 Council encounter and fear in meditation
01:07:42 Night terror, levitation, and angelic intervention
01:08:52 God begins pulling Wendy out of the occult
01:12:55 Seeing what was operating behind an occult mentor
01:19:39 Repentance, burning occult objects, and returning to Jesus
01:26:22 Nigerian prayer warrior, spiritual authority, and bloodline warfare
01:28:45 Instant healing of a lump at a conference
01:32:11 Grocery store word of knowledge and healing testimony
01:36:30 Warning a former friend to repent and close the door
01:38:24 Yeti encounter near Pilot Mountain
01:49:58 The danger of fear based spiritual legalism
01:52:26 Freedom in Jesus for people trapped in the occult
01:54:43 Romans 8 and the invitation to come home to Christ
01:56:56 Next steps for new believers coming out of the occult

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What do you do with a Bible that refuses to stay ordinary?

In this episode, Brandon and Lindsy sit down with returning guest Ryan Anderson to explore one of the wildest questions they’ve tackled yet: does the Bible actually present a case for time travel? What starts as a conversation about God creating time quickly opens into a sweeping discussion about Moses, Elijah, the Mount of Transfiguration, prophetic timing, and whether certain passages make more sense when read through a deeper biblical lens.

Ryan lays out his case that time is part of creation itself, meaning the God who made it is not bound by it. From Hezekiah’s sundial to Joshua’s long day to Moses asking to see God’s glory, the conversation traces moments in Scripture that seem to suggest time is more flexible than most believers assume. Then things really get interesting as Ryan connects Moses and Elijah’s encounters on the mountain with Jesus’ transfiguration, proposing that what happened there may have been more than a vision. It may have been a convergence across ages.

Along the way, the conversation touches the gap theory, Lucifer traditions, Hebrew word studies, old earth questions, typology, the law and the prophets, and why the Bible may be far stranger and more supernatural than most modern readers were taught to expect.

This one is not about chasing novelty. It is about asking whether the text itself is bigger, deeper, and more charged with mystery than we’ve allowed.

Timestamps:
00:00:30 Intro and setup for a stretching conversation
00:02:53 Ryan Anderson on his background and upcoming book
00:03:45 Pre-Adamic history gap theory and Lucifer questions
00:05:18 Bible translations manuscript issues and original language discussion
00:07:41 Hebrew wording and Lucifer wanting to be like the Most High
00:10:01 Adam angels and the possibility of a prior order
00:12:26 Psalm 8 Lucifer protest theory and the question what is man
00:14:50 When did Satan actually fall
00:17:14 Jerusalem Jericho moon symbolism and prophetic reading
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00:19:44 Brandon on other theories of Satan’s fall and post-Covid biblical supernaturalism
00:24:32 The main question can the Bible support time travel
00:26:51 God created time and stands outside it
00:31:41 Heaven eternity and different experiences of time
00:34:05 Hezekiah sundial Joshua and biblical mastery over time
00:36:23 Moses asks to see God’s glory
00:38:46 Hebrew word study on face before and behind
00:41:12 Elijah on the mountain and the Lord passing by
00:43:39 The Mount of Transfiguration as possible convergence point
00:46:03 Did God bring Moses and Elijah into the future
00:50:51 Moses burial Michael and Satan disputing the body
00:53:16 Elisha double portion and Moses Elijah typology
00:55:35 Brandon and Lindsy respond to Ryan’s theory
00:57:51 Apocrypha Enoch Jasher and interpretive value
01:00:00 Ryan on why he’s writing the new book
01:02:16 Brandon on theory building and scholarly work
01:04:18 Favorite time travel movies

For a long time, the church has assumed that if people just receive the right teaching, real transformation will follow. But this conversation pushes back on that idea in a big way.

Michael Sullivant joins Brandon and Jen to explore what happens when brain science, attachment theory, and spiritual formation are brought into the same room. They unpack how the human brain was designed for belonging, why attachment is central to identity, and how emotional and relational maturity have too often been separated from spiritual maturity.

The conversation moves into the difference between left-brained information and right-brained formation, how trauma leaves unfinished stories in people, and why joy is not a side issue but a major part of becoming like Christ. Michael also shares practical rhythms that can help rewire the brain toward peace, gratitude, and deeper connection with God and community.

This one gets into discipleship, healing, joy, trauma, gratitude, group identity, healthy correction, and why the church may be overdue for a relational reformation.

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Timestamps:
00:00:51 Why information alone does not create maturity
00:03:17 Michael Sullivan’s background and conversion story
00:07:57 From church leadership to Life Model Works and Radius Ministries
00:10:19 What Radius Ministries does
00:13:00 What neurotheology means
00:15:07 Defining attachment and why it matters
00:17:31 Attachment love and the image of God
00:19:55 Adoption, belonging, and relational need
00:22:19 Marriage, attachment, and why people matter most
00:24:44 Attachment, addiction, and the right hemisphere
00:26:52 Attachment to God and attachment to community
00:29:09 Emotional maturity and spiritual maturity belong together
00:31:32 Why the right hemisphere matters in discipleship
00:33:56 Trauma as an unfinished story
00:36:15 How to begin building healthy attachment with God
00:38:40 Gratitude as a practice that rewires the brain
00:41:06 Greeting, joy, and golden memories
00:43:27 Golden memories and recognizing God’s presence
00:45:54 Joy, sacred moments, and God memories
00:48:17 Revisiting meaningful moments with Jesus
00:50:39 Why feelings matter more than many Christians were taught
00:53:00 Log jams, deep healing, and releasing what is already in us
00:55:20 What it looks like to practice the disciplines of joy
00:57:43 Love as gladness to be with someone
01:00:09 Group identity and healthy correction
01:02:34 Joy resistance and starting small
01:05:00 Joy capacity and contagious peace
01:06:58 Regulating the right hemisphere and identity practice
01:09:23 Tongues, trust, and right-brain spirituality
01:11:47 Five minutes of gratitude three times a day
01:14:10 Trauma, fear, and the Holy Spirit as the spirit of mental health
01:17:28 Jesus in the trauma story
01:19:52 Humility, healing, and rich soil
01:22:15 Relational reformation and the future of the church
01:26:40 Recommended books and resources

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What happens when too many eyewitness accounts start sounding alike to ignore?

In this episode, Marcus Ellis returns to the show to talk about the rise in Dogman reports, the work of the North American Dogman Project, and the kinds of encounters that leave people shaken for years. He explains why he sees Dogman as distinct from Sasquatch, what witnesses most often describe, and why these cases seem to carry a different kind of fear than most Bigfoot reports.

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Timestamps:

00:00:51 Dogman as a question at the edge of folklore and the unseen realm
00:03:13 Marcus shares his role with the North American Dogman Project
00:05:39 Why Dogman encounters are treated more seriously than many Bigfoot cases
00:08:06 Why Marcus no longer sees Dogman as misidentified Sasquatch
00:10:37 The fear and trauma witnesses report after close encounters
00:13:03 Why Dogman gets less public acceptance especially in the Bible Belt
00:15:31 Bigfoot Dogman and the turn toward paranormal explanations
00:17:59 Dogman vs Bigfoot and why Dogman reports feel darker
00:20:27 Marcus recounts a Dogman sighting at Sky Lake
00:22:48 Todd’s terrifying face to face encounter in the woods
00:27:40 Yazoo County Sky Lake and Mississippi hotspot discussion
00:30:03 Strange locations local reports and more Mississippi stories
00:32:31 Why these creatures may be dangerous even if they do not always attack
00:34:51 SRT team reports and questions about DNA and government interest
00:37:22 Claims of government monitoring and asset theories
00:39:47 What Dogman reportedly looks like according to witnesses
00:44:37 Fear flesh and blood reality and the spiritual feel of encounters
00:47:00 Shape shifting skinwalker theories and why Marcus stays open but cautious
00:51:51 Dogman Nephilim and fitting cryptids into a biblical worldview
00:56:44 Giants abominations and why Canaan comes into the discussion
01:01:38 Blood defilement bestiality and corruption themes in scripture
01:04:02 Reptilian reports skepticism and eyewitness credibility
01:06:24 Why biblical and scientific lenses may both matter
01:11:06 The Bible as a supernatural book and not just a naturalistic text
01:13:27 Demon in the gaps and the danger of overexplaining everything spiritually
01:18:24 Biggest misconceptions about Dogman and fear of the outdoors
01:23:11 Are there male and female Dogman reports
01:25:31 Where to contact Marcus and the North American Dogman Project

In this episode, we go beyond surface-level healing and step into the deeper mechanics of how the body, mind, and spirit actually work together. This isn’t about chasing trends or adopting buzzwords—it’s about understanding design.

We unpack how trauma is stored, why subconscious beliefs shape your reality, and what it really means to come back into alignment with how God created you to function. From quantum principles and nervous system regulation to identity, sonship, and the power of belief—this conversation challenges the idea that we’re broken and replaces it with something far more dangerous:

That we’ve simply been out of alignment. If you’ve ever wondered why healing feels inconsistent, why certain struggles won’t go away, or why your prayers sometimes feel blocked… this one will hit different. And it might just change how you see everything.

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Timestamps:
00:00:04 Anxiety fear and why you cannot pray effectively in fear
00:00:28 Unrefined intro and sponsor call to action
00:00:51 Why this conversation goes deeper than surface level healing
00:03:08 The subconscious as the missing piece in healing
00:05:26 God did not design us broken
00:07:40 Alignment vs brokenness framework explained
00:10:07 Science and theology working together
00:12:31 Allopathic medicine vs natural healing tension
00:14:51 Subconscious beliefs and frequency explained
00:17:14 Why fear and shame keep people stuck
00:19:42 Sonship identity and authority over the earth
00:21:59 Real example of hidden beliefs affecting life
00:24:25 Reclaiming what the enemy has distorted
00:26:48 Misuse vs proper use of spiritual principles
00:29:08 Energy modalities and alignment with the practitioner
00:31:28 Bless baptize or burn framework
00:33:44 What muscle testing actually measures
00:36:06 How the subconscious stores memory and trauma
00:40:56 Nutrition and body response through energy
00:43:18 Truth vs lie responses in the body
00:45:42 Quantum communication and spiritual discernment
00:48:05 Real case study of spiritual root cause healing
00:52:53 Why the body lacks energy to heal
00:55:16 Healing is not linear process
00:59:59 Conviction vs condemnation in healing
01:02:21 Vision boards intention and alignment
01:07:01 God giving desires vs performance mindset
01:11:39 Poverty mindset vs abundance
01:14:06 Vision and belief shaping reality
01:18:59 Sonship vs new age identity
01:21:03 Biggest lie about healing
01:23:24 Forgiveness beyond words
01:25:52 Nervous system and triggers
01:29:45 Self sabotage and success blocks
01:33:46 Limiting beliefs and fear of influence
01:36:13 Double binds explained
01:41:02 Personal story of root belief formation
01:43:24 Final thoughts on IBRT and healing tools
01:45:38 How to connect and learn more