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  • Scott Pappas: Building a Chambers-Ranked Law Firm Entirely in the Metaverse | Omnus Law

    Scott Pappas: Building a Chambers-Ranked Law Firm Entirely in the Metaverse | Omnus Law
    Mar 2 2026
    In this episode of the Trustcast Show, host Zane Myers sits down with Scott C. Pappas, co-founder and Firmwide Managing Partner of Omnus Law—a full-service corporate law firm that exists entirely in the metaverse. After 24 years in Big Law, Scott helped build something radically different: a firm with 45 attorneys across 17 states, zero physical office space, no billable hour requirements, and compensation that exceeds Big Law rates. In under 18 months, Omnus achieved the prestigious Chambers ranking based purely on client feedback—proving that the future of legal practice doesn't require expensive Manhattan real estate. What You'll Learn: How a law firm operates entirely in the metaverse (no VR goggles required) Why Scott left Big Law after 24 years to co-found Omnus The difference between "success" and "fulfillment" in legal practice How the OmnusVerse replicates bumping-into-colleagues moments remotely Why traditional Zoom environments fail to build culture What clients actually experience working with Omnus vs. Big Law How Omnus charges a fraction of Big Law rates while paying attorneys more The shared services model that eliminates geographic overhead Why 3,000 attorneys have applied but only 45 were accepted What makes an attorney thrive (or fail) at Omnus Craig Hansen's entire San Jose litigation boutique joining Omnus International expansion: UK, Paris, and plans for Asia and South America The truth about AI, billing flexibility, and client partnerships Scott's work founding Autism Behavior Wellness after the 2008 Mental Health Parity Act How one New Jersey county offered 200 children needing autism services Why special education advocacy is critical for families with autism The challenge of finding qualified BCBAs (Board Certified Behavioral Analysts) 10-year prediction: Will traditional office-based law firms become the exception? Scott's vision for Omnus wasn't just about cutting costs or going remote—it was about reimagining what legal practice could be when you remove the constraints of geography, expensive real estate, and Big Law politics. The metaverse environment allows attorneys to have perpetual presence, spontaneous collaboration, and the ability to walk into a colleague's virtual office just like they would in a traditional firm—except they can do it from anywhere in the world. The firm's success proves that clients care more about quality, value, and communication than they do about mahogany conference tables. Omnus competes head-to-head with AmLaw 100 firms and wins engagements based on client feedback—which is exactly how they earned their Chambers ranking. Connect with Scott C. Pappas: Website: https://www.omnuslaw.com LinkedIn: Scott C. Pappas Omnus Law: 45 attorneys in 17 states + international expansion Practices: Corporate transactional, litigation, intellectual property, white collar criminal Client focus: Institutional B2B clients, emerging companies, startups Venture Circle: Multidisciplinary practice for entrepreneurs and startups Registered Office: 299 S Main St, Suite 1300, Salt Lake City, UT 84111 Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 00:45 - Leaving Big Law After 24 Years 01:36 - What Is Omnus Law? The 30-Second Pitch 02:31 - What the Metaverse Actually Looks Like on Monday Morning 05:13 - Replicating "Bumping Into Jim in the Hallway" 08:02 - Why Culture Can't Be Built on Zoom Alone 10:37 - The Breadth of Practice: From Startups to White Collar Criminal 12:09 - What Makes Omnus Different for Clients? 14:34 - 3,000 Applications, 45 Attorneys: What Are Lawyers Running From? 17:25 - How Is This Sustainable? No Billable Hours, Higher Pay 19:31 - Craig Hansen Brings His San Jose Litigation Boutique to Omnus 21:12 - Profile of Attorneys Who Thrive vs. Those Who Don't 22:40 - Client Experience: Big Law Quality at Fraction of the Cost 24:51 - Rapid Fire: Biggest Misconception About the Metaverse 25:32 - Scott's Avatar and Guilty Pleasure: Sport Bikes 26:30 - Founding Autism Behavior Wellness After 2008 Mental Health Parity Act 28:25 - Processing Demand: 200 Children Needing Services 29:54 - How Attorneys Support Children with Autism 31:17 - Special Education Advocacy and Access to Care 33:08 - Omnus Expanding Into Europe: UK, Paris, and Beyond 35:16 - Will Traditional Office-Based Firms Become the Exception? 37:22 - Maintaining Culture While Scaling: Adding 10 Attorneys in January 39:21 - "This Is Too Good to Be True" - Scott's Response 40:34 - How to Connect with Omnus Law #OmnusLaw #MetaverseLawFirm #LegalInnovation #BigLawAlternative #FutureOfLaw #TrustcastShow
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    41 min
  • Susan Stivalo: Luxury Wellness, GLP 1 Weight Loss, Hormones, and IV Therapy | Advanced Aesthetics

    Susan Stivalo: Luxury Wellness, GLP 1 Weight Loss, Hormones, and IV Therapy | Advanced Aesthetics
    Feb 20 2026
    In this episode of the Trustcast Show, host Zane Myers sits down with Susan Stivalo, MSN, APRN, AGNP C, founder of Advanced Health and Aesthetics in White Plains, New York. After three decades across ICU, oncology, and advanced practice care, Susan built a clinic where luxury meets clinical precision, blending clinical nutrition, medical weight loss, hormone optimization, aesthetics, and IV therapy into one highly personalised experience. What You Will Learn: How Susan builds a 28 day nutrition plan with daily accountability Why she will not prescribe GLP 1 support without nutrition and behaviour change What “Ozempic face” is and how aesthetics fits into healthy weight loss support Women’s most common hormone symptoms: sleep issues, hot flashes, fatigue, brain fog, midsection weight gain Men’s common signs: fatigue, midsection weight gain, libido changes, and why labs matter Why microdosing and clinical oversight matters with peptides, NAD, and GLP 1 medications How Susan separates science from hype using peer reviewed research What it takes to build a luxury wellness clinic while still working hospital shifts Connect with Susan Stivalo and Advanced Health and Aesthetics: Website: https://advancedhealthandaesthetics.com/ Chapters 00:01 Susan’s background and why she built Advanced Health and Aesthetics 00:59 Leaving bedside long term and building a luxury wellness space 02:39 Why nutrition is the foundation of health 03:29 Medical artistry and precision touch, plus daily accountability plans 05:33 Scope of practice, prescribing, and licensure across states 06:45 Opening date and why she refused to launch until it was complete 07:20 Marketing shift, word of mouth, and the Density RF differentiator 09:44 Women’s wellness, labs, and hormone support 10:25 GLP 1 criteria, compounding vs brand, and real oversight 13:15 Telehealth GLP 1 companies and behaviour change reality 17:27 Men’s testosterone, women’s HRT, and what symptoms show up first 20:19 Anti aging skepticism, peer reviewed research, and NAD explained 22:38 Rapid fire questions 25:21 Why White Plains and The Westchester location matters 26:43 Hours, hospital shifts, and appointment only model 27:23 Concierge clients and out of town patients 29:13 Doctor of Nursing Practice dissertation topic and telehealth compliance 30:30 Advice for practitioners opening a wellness or aesthetics practice 31:43 Vision for growth and expansion #TrustcastShow #AdvancedHealthAndAesthetics #MedicalWeightLoss #GLP1 #HormoneOptimization #IVTherapy #Aesthetics #ClinicalNutrition #WhitePlainsNY
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    34 min
  • Dr. Michelle Jones Singer: The Cosmetic Gynecologist Breaking Taboos & Empowering Women

    Dr. Michelle Jones Singer: The Cosmetic Gynecologist Breaking Taboos & Empowering Women
    Feb 11 2026
    In this episode of the Trustcast Show, host Zane Myers sits down with Dr. Michelle Jones Singer, MD, a board-certified gynecologist and the only cosmetic gynecologist in Indianapolis. Dr. Singer specializes in helping women feel confident and comfortable in their own bodies through cosmetic and reconstructive gynecologic surgery. From repairing female genital mutilation to postpartum vaginal rejuvenation, she addresses the intimate health concerns most women are too embarrassed to discuss. When she's not in the exam room, Dr. Singer is behind the microphone as a professional voiceover artist, using her gift for clear communication to educate and empower women. What You'll Learn: How Dr. Singer knew she wanted to be a gynecologist at age 8 Her groundbreaking work repairing female genital mutilation (FGM) in Flint, Michigan and South Africa What cosmetic gynecology actually is and who needs it Common concerns women have about their anatomy (but are afraid to ask) Why most women don't know their own bodies The taboo procedures no one talks about: labiaplasty, vaginal tightening, hymen restoration How cultural shame prevents women from seeking help What other doctors get wrong about cosmetic gynecology The connection between her medical practice and voiceover work How she uses TikTok and Instagram to answer questions women won't ask their doctors Life-changing patient stories: from incontinence repair to restored confidence The difference between insurance-covered gynecology and private-pay cosmetic procedures How to find a qualified cosmetic gynecologist Virtual consultations and HIPAA-secure photo evaluations Dr. Singer's practice is built on trust, communication, and compassion. She creates a safe space for women to discuss concerns about vaginal looseness after childbirth, labial discomfort, painful intercourse, and other intimate issues that impact quality of life and relationships. Her educational content on social media breaks down barriers and helps women understand they're not alone—and that solutions exist. Connect with Dr. Michelle Jones Singer: Website: https://www.Indianapolis-Cosmetic-Surgery.com Phone: 317-578-0421 Instagram: @CosmeticSurgeryofIndianapolis TikTok: @MichelleJonesSingerMD YouTube: Michelle Jones Singer MD Voiceover Business: Michelle Savory Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Free virtual consultations available Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 00:36 - From Surgeon to Voiceover Artist 01:41 - Why Gynecology? The Decision at Age 8 02:18 - Working with FGM Survivors in Flint & South Africa 03:37 - Being the Only Cosmetic Gynecologist in Indianapolis 04:56 - The Voiceover Business: Michelle Savory 05:46 - What Is Cosmetic Gynecology? 07:10 - Common Concerns Women Have About Their Anatomy 09:45 - Non-Invasive Vaginal Tightening Devices 10:13 - Who's the Typical Patient? 11:05 - Why Women Don't Know Their Own Bodies 11:36 - Breaking Taboos on TikTok and Instagram 12:36 - Where Does the Shame Come From? 12:59 - The Most Misunderstood Procedures 14:08 - What Other Doctors Get Wrong 14:48 - Rapid Fire: Coffee or Tea? 15:18 - Classical Music and Church Voiceover Projects 16:27 - Best Patient Compliment: "You Changed My Life" 17:04 - Maxwell the Dog and Mr. Maxwell the Teacher 18:27 - Life-Changing Patient Story 19:15 - What "Normal" Really Means After Menopause 20:43 - When Patients Cry From Relief 21:11 - The Hardest Conversations: Cancer Diagnoses 22:01 - Going Solo: Practicing Medicine on Her Own Terms 22:55 - Private Pay vs. Insurance: How It Works 24:00 - Giving FGM Survivors Their Lives Back 25:06 - Finding Time for Social Media and Voiceover 26:01 - How Voiceover Work Feeds Doctor Work 26:55 - Advice for Women Suffering in Silence 27:34 - Virtual Consultations and HIPAA-Secure Photos 28:35 - How to Find Dr. Singer #CosmeticGynecology #WomensHealth #FemaleEmpowerment #Labiaplasty #PostpartumRecovery #TrustcastShow
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    30 min
  • Niklas Pieper: EU Environmental Law, ESG Compliance & Navigating Chemical Regulations

    Niklas Pieper: EU Environmental Law, ESG Compliance & Navigating Chemical Regulations
    Feb 11 2026
    In this episode of the Trustcast Show, host Zane Myers sits down with Niklas Pieper, a legal and regulatory expert with over 20 years of in-house counsel experience in Europe's most heavily regulated industries. After two decades navigating chemical regulations, crop protection law, and public affairs for major corporations, Niklas made the leap to become a partner at one of Germany's top environmental law firms and co-founded Scalentis Consulting—a firm that helps companies turn regulatory complexity and ESG requirements into competitive advantages. What You'll Learn: Why Niklas left the corporate world after 20 years to start a consulting firm How Scalentis is different from traditional law firms and consulting agencies The cross-functional approach to solving regulatory and reputational crises Product defense strategies when NGOs and regulators target your chemicals Why companies struggle with the "outside-in" perspective The biggest mistakes companies make in heavily regulated industries How the EU just rewrote ESG rules: CSRD and CSDD threshold changes explained Is the EU backing away from sustainability or getting smarter about compliance? ESG reporting blind spots that trip up most companies Why REACH chemical regulations need an overhaul after 20 years The reputational difference between pharmaceutical and agricultural chemical companies Why "chemicals are bad" is the hardest public narrative to fight How US-based companies can navigate EU regulations effectively The balance between regulatory burden and business profitability Why the term "chemical" itself is misunderstood Niklas brings a rare combination of deep legal expertise, in-house operational experience, and strategic consulting perspective. His firm, Scalentis, works exclusively with senior seasoned consultants who have in-house experience, providing cross-functional teams that include lawyers, public affairs experts, and business strategists—all tailored to each client's specific regulatory challenges. Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 01:39 - Why Leave Corporate After 20 Years? 02:39 - What Makes Scalentis Consulting Different 04:51 - The Cross-Functional Problem-Solving Approach 07:34 - Real-World Client Examples: Product Defense 10:50 - Reputation Management and Business Strategy 12:29 - Focus Groups vs. Market Research 14:17 - Navigating NGO Pressure and Public Debate 16:47 - The Biggest Mistake Regulated Companies Make 18:55 - Crisis Management: Reactive vs. Proactive 21:24 - Building Advocacy When "Chemicals Are Bad" 22:14 - EU Lobbying vs. US Lobbying 23:45 - The EU's New ESG Rules: CSRD and CSDD Explained 27:11 - ESG Reporting Blind Spots 30:32 - Climate Transition Plans: Still Required? 31:40 - Is REACH Still Fit for Purpose After 20 Years? 32:57 - Pharma vs. Agricultural Chemical Regulation 35:02 - Why Chemical Storytelling Matters 36:26 - Rapid Fire: Cologne vs. Berlin 37:57 - Fixing ESG Reporting Overnight 38:38 - What Americans Don't Know About Germany 39:06 - How to Connect #EnvironmentalLaw #ESGCompliance #EURegulations #ChemicalIndustry #Sustainability #TrustcastShow
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    39 min
  • Trial Lawyers Michael Darling & Sam Long: Fighting Big Corporations for Catastrophic Injury Victims

    Trial Lawyers Michael Darling & Sam Long: Fighting Big Corporations for Catastrophic Injury Victims
    Feb 10 2026
    In this episode of the Trustcast Show, host Zane Myers sits down with Michael Darling and Samuel Q Long, founding partners of Falcon Law Group in San Antonio and Houston. These trial lawyers specialize in catastrophic injury cases, taking on massive corporations that most firms won't touch—fighting for blue-collar workers, oil field crews, and families facing life-altering injuries. What You'll Learn: How defense-side experience gives them an edge in plaintiff work Why venue selection can multiply case value by 10x The biggest mistakes injured workers make before hiring a lawyer How insurance companies manipulate injured workers into bad settlements Managing vicarious trauma while handling death and catastrophic injury cases The symbiotic referral system in catastrophic injury law Real case stories: from seven-figure oil field injuries to devastating highway accidents Why they reject cases even when they need to pay rent The difference between billboard firms and true trial lawyers Building a sustainable boutique practice without massive overhead Michael Darling, a former corporate defense attorney and son of a trial lawyer, combines Ivy League legal training with creative litigation strategy. Sam Long brings Marine Corps Infantry discipline and frontline leadership to the courtroom. Together, they've recovered tens of millions for injured workers while maintaining a lean, client-focused practice that prioritizes trial readiness over volume. Connect with Falcon Law Group: Website: https://www.thefalkenlawgroup.com San Antonio: 210-526-2997 Houston: 713-804-8220 Email Michael: mdarling@thefalkenlawgroup.com Email Sam: slong@thefalkenlawgroup.com Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 00:33 - How a Marine & Trial Lawyer's Son Joined Forces 01:45 - Why Catastrophic Injury Law? 04:42 - The Stress of Big Law vs. Plaintiff Work 05:44 - Dinner Table Debates: Michael's Legal Training 06:51 - From Naval Academy to Marine Infantry to Law School 10:10 - Defense Side Secrets: Weaponizing Discovery 14:48 - How Clients Find Them: The Referral System 18:35 - Managing Cash Flow in Long-Tail Cases 20:26 - Vicarious Trauma: The Hidden Cost 23:25 - Insurance Company Tricks That Shock People 27:09 - The Biggest Mistake Injured Workers Make 31:08 - Cases That Still Haunt Them 42:12 - What Sets Them Apart from Billboard Firms 45:11 - Future Growth Plans 47:25 - How to Contact Falcon Law Group #TrialLawyer #CatastrophicInjury #PersonalInjuryLaw #MaritimeLaw #JonesAct #TrustcastShow
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    48 min
  • Dr. Sean Saadat: Beverly Hills Plastic Surgeon Building an AI Medical Record System

    Dr. Sean Saadat: Beverly Hills Plastic Surgeon Building an AI Medical Record System
    Feb 10 2026
    In this episode of the Trustcast Show, host Zane Myers sits down with Dr. Sean Saadat, MD, a board-certified plastic surgeon who knew he wanted to pursue plastic surgery at age 8. After skipping a year of high school, earning his MD at 25, and completing his residency at UCLA, Dr. Saadat opened his practice in one of the most competitive markets in the world—Beverly Hills. But his ambitions don't stop at surgery: he's building Atlas, an AI-native electronic medical record system designed to revolutionize how doctors manage their practices. What You'll Learn: How an 8-year-old's fascination with Discovery Health Channel led to a surgical career Why Dr. Saadat never took the MCAT (and what he did instead) The intersection of art and medicine: clay sculpture meets rhinoplasty What "eternal beauty" means in plastic surgery philosophy How Dr. Saadat illustrated a diagram for a US Congressional hearing on Medicare The clindamycin breakthrough for ruptured breast implant surgery Why current EMR systems (like Epic) are fundamentally broken How AI can solve healthcare's administrative burden crisis Building a competitive Beverly Hills practice from scratch at 27 Balancing surgery, AI development, social media, and teaching The 50/50 split between medicine and marketing in modern practice Why healthcare needs to be redesigned from the ground up for AI integration Dr. Saadat combines deep medical expertise with artistic sensibility, business acumen, and technology innovation. He's not just performing surgeries—he's reimagining the entire infrastructure of medical practice through Atlas, while maintaining a thriving cosmetic and reconstructive surgery practice and teaching the next generation of surgeons at UCLA. Connect with Dr. Sean Saadat: Website: https://www.drseanplasticsurgery.com Instagram: @drseanplasticsurgery TikTok: @drseanplasticsurgery LinkedIn: Dr. Sean Saadat YouTube: Dr. Sean Plastic Surgery Substack (Atlas updates): Dr. Sean Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 00:49 - Doctor, Artist, or Psychologist? 02:00 - The 8-Year-Old Who Knew His Career Path 03:32 - Skipping High School to Fast-Track Med School 05:36 - Never Taking the MCAT: The Trade-Off 07:42 - Getting an MD at 25 08:49 - Art, Performance, and Music Production 09:30 - Operation Smile and Cleft Palate Surgery 12:34 - Opening in Beverly Hills: Competing with the Big Players 15:10 - The Eternal Beauty Philosophy 17:29 - 18 Publications: The Clindamycin Breakthrough 18:52 - Drawing for Congress: Medicare and Eyelid Surgery 22:01 - Rapid Fire: Clay vs. Graphite 22:08 - Best Nose Job Ever 23:05 - Worst Trends in Plastic Surgery 24:11 - One Tool You Can't Operate Without 25:20 - Operating Room Playlist 25:56 - Persian Food Essentials 26:20 - What is Atlas and Why Build It? 32:13 - Getting Practices to Pilot Atlas 33:51 - Operating on a 27-Hour Day 36:01 - Medicine vs. Marketing: The 50/50 Reality 37:58 - Teaching at UCLA 38:41 - How to Find Dr. Saadat and Follow Atlas #PlasticSurgery #AIHealthcare #MedicalInnovation #BeverlyHills #AtlasEMR #TrustcastShow
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    40 min
  • Neurosurgeon Dr. Rohan Lall: Revolutionary E-TLIF Surgery for Chronic Back Pain

    Neurosurgeon Dr. Rohan Lall: Revolutionary E-TLIF Surgery for Chronic Back Pain
    Feb 6 2026
    In this episode of the Trustcast Show, host Zane Myers sits down with Dr. Rohan Lall, MD, a neurosurgeon at M Health Fairview in Minneapolis and Chief Medical Officer of SynerFuse. Dr. Lall co-invented the world's first E-TLIF procedure—a groundbreaking surgery that combines spinal fusion with direct nerve stimulation to treat chronic back pain without long-term opioid use. What You'll Learn: Why traditional spine surgeries have high failure rates compared to other orthopedic procedures How the E-TLIF (Electric Transforaminal Lumbar Interbody Fusion) procedure works The technology behind implantable nerve stimulators controlled by smartphone Why Dr. Lall chose the grueling path of neurosurgery training (7 years of residency!) Early clinical trial results showing dramatic reductions in pain and opioid use The future of spinal surgery innovation, including applications for cervical spine How the device's battery can potentially last over 100 years using ultra-low frequency stimulation About Dr. Rohan Lall: Dr. Lall is a board-certified neurosurgeon specializing in robotic and minimally invasive spine surgery, complex spinal surgery, brain and spinal tumors, and skull base surgery. He performed the world's first solo E-TLIF procedure and is leading SynerFuse's national clinical trials across 15-20 hospitals. He graduated from the University of Chicago Pritzker School of Medicine and completed his neurosurgery residency at Northwestern University. Connect with SynerFuse: Website: https://www.synerfuse.com Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 00:55 - The Limits of Current Spine Surgery 01:29 - Why Neurosurgery? The Personality of Surgeons 03:43 - The Hardest Parts of Neurosurgery Residency 05:09 - Why Do So Many Back Surgeries Fail? 08:02 - Introducing the E-TLIF Procedure 09:35 - How the Technology Actually Works 12:30 - The Implanted Battery and Power System 14:45 - National Clinical Trial Expansion 16:07 - Training Surgeons on the New Technique 19:54 - Early Results from Clinical Trials 21:13 - The Frustration of Double-Blind Studies 22:17 - Combining Existing Technologies in a New Way 24:11 - Manufacturing Partnership with Valentium 25:06 - Timeline to Market Availability 26:02 - How to Get Involved or Learn More 26:37 - Future Innovations Beyond E-TLIF #SpineSurgery #Neurosurgery #ChronicPain #MedicalInnovation #ETLIFProcedure #SynerFuse #TrustcastShow #PainManagement #FDA #ClinicalTrial
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    28 min
  • Surgery Coach Dr. Kaye Brundidge: Mindset, Energy Medicine & Faster Recovery

    Surgery Coach Dr. Kaye Brundidge: Mindset, Energy Medicine & Faster Recovery
    Feb 6 2026
    In this episode of the Trustcast Show, host Zane Myers sits down with Dr. Kaye Brundidge, MD, a board-certified anesthesiologist with over 25 years of experience who's pioneering a revolutionary approach to surgical care. After her own remarkable recovery from ACL surgery, Dr. Brundidge discovered that combining traditional anesthesiology with energy medicine practices—including Reiki and medical acupuncture—dramatically improves patient outcomes. What You'll Learn: How mindset and intention impact surgical outcomes The science behind heart coherence and box breathing for anxiety reduction Why focusing on positive outcomes rather than fear leads to faster recovery Dr. Brundidge's 6-week surgery coaching process Real patient stories of significantly reduced pain and recovery time The intersection of Eastern and Western medicine in modern healthcare Practical techniques anyone can use before surgery Dr. Brundidge now works full-time through Oshun Energy Medicine, helping busy women (and men) navigate surgical experiences with less fear, less pain, and faster recovery. Her approach combines deep medical expertise with energy healing to create a comprehensive support system from pre-op to post-op. Connect with Dr. Kaye Brundidge: Website: https://www.oshunenergymedicine.com Email: info@oshunenergymedicine.com Phone: 425-499-1779 Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 00:28 - Dr. Brundidge's Surgical Awakening 05:12 - What Makes Her Approach Different 09:48 - How Surgery Coaching Works 14:16 - The Science of Anxiety and Recovery 21:05 - Building a Revolutionary Practice 27:07 - Working with Patients Pre and Post-Surgery 32:37 - Taking the Leap Full-Time 34:26 - How to Connect #SurgeryCoach #EnergyMedicine #Anesthesiology #HolisticHealth #PatientEmpowerment #TrustcastShow
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    35 min