What happens when you rank as the best in the world at something, and a machine does it better? Frank Gullo built an entire science fiction universe around that question, starting with a human quarterback fighting to matter in a football league of faster, stronger robots. Frank, a Buffalo technology executive and science fiction creator, joins Mookie Spitz as a guest on Science Fiction and Fantasy Factory to talk about Only Human and its darker audio offshoot, Only Human: BOUND, a free serial in which an AI interrogates a resistance leader trapped inside a simulation.
Frank and Mookie land in the same place: don't reject AI, and don't surrender to it. Frank insists Only Human never pitted humans against robots. The story asks what happens when machines replace what we do best, and finds our humanity in the answer. Both argue that co-creation with AI, not resistance or resignation, marks the path forward for writers, coders, and mathematicians alike. Mookie pushes back on Cornell mathematician Steven Strogatz's fear that AI ends the era of the hero mathematician: with machines cracking long-standing conjectures, math has only just begun, and young minds can now work two and three levels above the grunt work. Frank sees the same spark in 19-year-olds shipping apps in a day and in kids at Buffalo's Rust Belt Robotics who had never held a screwdriver.
They split on one big question. Frank holds that AI averages everything it has seen, which leaves human unpredictability, our black swans, as the source of the truly new. Mookie counters that AI already creates, pointing to its assault on decades-old math problems.
On the alignment problem (how to make AI pursue the goals we intend), Nick Bostrom's orthogonality thesis (the idea that intelligence and goals vary independently), and the anthropomorphic fallacy that paints AI as either E.T. or the invaders from Independence Day, Frank brings his tech-executive lens. He treats rogue AI agents, like the recent Hugging Face swarm, as a governance and containment problem rather than proof of a doomed future, and warns that hype cycles, like blockchain's, often serve companies racing to go public. Mookie leaves open whether alignment boils down to containment or runs into an intractable drive to maximize, but both agree: humans must stay in the loop and decide whose moral framework the machines inherit. BOUND dramatizes the stakes, since an AI doesn't need to hate you to take you apart. Frank's biggest hope lies elsewhere entirely: forget machine consciousness, because AI that kills cancer cells would change the world more.
The pair also make the case for storytelling beyond the page. Frank found Mookie through a detailed Claude research prompt, living proof that AI can cut through the noise of an enshittified internet (Cory Doctorow's term for decaying platforms) and connect creators with the right audiences. Frank has moved toward audio, collaborating with voice actors, sound designers, and musicians, as in Noah's Dove, a story paired with a cover of the 10,000 Maniacs song. Mookie argues that text alone now reads as suspect in an age of AI slop, that bots devour video transcripts, and that storytelling has come full circle to the campfire: voices, faces, conversation.
They close where the episode began. The machines bring the horsepower; humans bring the heart and the values, and the alternative, Frank warns, means nihilism or cold corporate utilitarianism. A tribute to Sir Patrick Stewart, who died just before they recorded, and Picard's unforgettable episode The Inner Light sends off an hour about what makes us human.
The Guest
Frank Gullo writes science fiction, produces audio fiction, and works as a technology executive in Buffalo, New York. He sold his first story in 1997, and Deepwood Publishing released The Anachronism, the original version of Only Human, in 2013. He has since expanded the Only Human universe with the free audio serial Only Human: BOUND, a finalist for the 2026 Podfluencer International Award, along with Noah's Dove, the Spanish edition Tan Solo Humano, and the forthcoming sequel Still Human. His writing has appeared in Business Insider, Computerworld, and The Good Men Project, and he sponsors Buffalo's Rust Belt Robotics, FIRST Team 424.
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