How would you behave in a high stakes, high risk situation with thirteen lives in the balance? Would you be able to remain calm? Would your mind be clear? Could you make the decisions necessary to take the next step forward?

Meet John Volanthen, one of the world’s most accomplished cave rescue divers and the author of 13 Lessons for Thirteen Lessons that Saved Thirteen Lives: The Inside Story of the Thai Cave Rescue. John became widely known during the 2018 Tham Luang cave rescue in Thailand, when he and fellow British diver Rick Stanton were the first to reach the trapped youth football team and confirm they were alive. He was an integral part of the team that shaped the plan to extract the children and their coach, adapting to what seemed to be insurmountable conditions.

The operation became a masterclass in problem-solving; turning an impossible situation into a series of workable steps.

John and I discuss fortitude and resilience as trainable skills, not personality traits. This conversation focuses on the strategies that are helpful in high-risk environments: mental rehearsal, visualization, and decision-making when the margin for error is zero.

We unpack what “calm under pressure” really looks like, how elite rescuers rehearse for the unthinkable, and how everyday listeners can apply these principles to hard conversations, major life decisions, and moments when life gets hard.

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