Brian and Jordan talk about the need for developers to adapt to survive, Brian debates how much of a content creator he is vs product seller, Jordan relates his experience talking with investors, and the rise of zero human companies ZHC.

Timestamps:

• (00:18) - Welcoming Justin er Jordan back to the show
• (02:48) - Companies that we're surprised aren't adopting AI tools
• (11:49) - Roles are blending together
• (20:18) - Is Brian a product person or creator?
• (33:36) - Or should he be doing consulting?
• (37:27) - Debating taking funding for Saas
• (48:10) - Zero Human Companies

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• Matt Pocock on X: "Something that I think goes under-emphasized is how much AI coding demands a 'lead dev' mentality. If you spent your pre-AI career trying to level up your teammates (through API design, feedback loops, architecture) Then working with AI will feel natural. If you only focused"
• Extend Claude with skills - Claude Code Docs
• About - Gauntlet AI
• Austen Allred on X: "Kelly (my AI bot) used 5 subagents to one-shot this app end to end. Zero human involvement. Insane. She’s building App Store worthy apps entirely by herself on the daily now."
• Tom Osman 🐦‍⬛ on X: "I work on the assumption that the most powerful AI models are far more intelligent than me. My job is just to assist when needed. This morning I gave @JunoAgent a Deep Research model to explore different token design routes based on what we're working on. This came out 👇🏻"

We make 2 big announcements about changes to The Panel. Then we debate whether there's a founder branding advantage and how AI will affect small software teams in 2026.

Timestamps:

• (00:46) - Our first announcement
• (02:20) - Why are we bringing Jordan on as a co-host?
• (06:51) - Why did Jordan want to join The Panel?
• (14:48) - What's the new format for The Panel?
• (18:29) - Is there a founder branding advantage?
• (37:03) - How is AI going to affect Saas in 2026 and beyond?
• (43:32) - How small teams can adapt easier than larger teams to AI

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• Bootstrapped Web
• Marketing for Developers
• A Mexican standoff Happening in AI
• The five stages of losing our craft
• Justin is the co-founder of Transistor.fm
• Brian is the founder of Builder Methods
• Jordan is the co-founder of Rosie

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