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 It started with the 2014 disappearance of an Upper Michigan man named Chris Regan. The two-year investigation into his disappearance would take authorities on a strange journey into a world of sex, drugs, pig farming, alleged cannibalism, and serial murder; all stemming from a wedding day pact between Kelly and Jason Cochran, that resulted in the murder of at least two men. Investigative reporter, Josh Hallmark, dives through thousands of case files and dozens of hours of interviews with Kelly to make sense of the breadth of her crimes and her often contradictory stories, in hopes of identifying her additional victims she's refused to name... if there even are any.

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    • Unsafe Spaces | Oh, God

      Unsafe Spaces | Oh, God
      Dec 20 2024
      Season finale.

      This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

      Featuring:
      Eric Carter-Landin from True Consequences and Crimelines & Consequences
      Albert Perkins

      Resources:
      • Religiosity and Attitudes Toward Lesbians and Gay Men: A Meta-Analysis by Bernard E. Whitley Jr.
      • How Religiosity Shapes Rejection of Homosexuals Across the Globe by Dirk-Jan Janssen
      • The New York Times
      • The Harvard Political Review
      • The National Institutes for Health
      • The National Institues for Health
      • The American Psychological Association
      • The Harvard University Press
      • The Hill
      • The Trevor Project
      • The Human Rights Campaign
      This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
      For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

      Music by: Adi Goldstein
      Featured music by: Frank Ocean
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      28 min
    • Unsafe Spaces | Tacit Permissions & Behavioral Drifts

      Unsafe Spaces | Tacit Permissions & Behavioral Drifts
      Dec 20 2024
      To better understand Lorenzo and Schweickert, their possible other crimes, and their MOs and victimology, Josh chats with clinical psychologist Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential) about killers who work in pairs, BDSM, Antisocial Personality Disorder, psychopathy, narcissism, and how homophobia made their ongoing crimes possible.
      Plus: The Warrior gene, behavioral drift, Kanye West, Anita Bryant, and more.

      This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark
      Featuring: Dr. Scott from the LA Not So Confidential podcast

      This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
      For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

      Music by: Color Book, Yehezkel Raz, Adi Goldstein, Infinity Lab, and Yotam Agam
      Featured music by: Perfume Genius
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      1 h et 17 min
    • Unsafe Spaces | Open Secret

      Unsafe Spaces | Open Secret
      Dec 20 2024
      At trial and at sentencing, Lorenzo's many surviving victims testified against him, including the impactful statements made by Albert Perkins, who Lorenzo kidnapped and assaulted in February of 2000. The testimony and eventual plea deals made by both Schweickert and Lorenzo would provide great insight into their MOs and victimology. But at what cost?
      Because by some accounts, investigators and the prosecution were as hard on the survivors as they were Lorenzo himself.

      This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

      Resources:
      • Fox 13 Tampa Bay: https://www.fox13news.com/news/nothing-behind-his-eyes-his-face-was-contorted-victim-of-steven-lorenzo-woke-up-panicked
      • The Tampa Bay Times: https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2006/01/28/defiant-lorenzo-gets-200-years/
      • The Netflix documentary Victim/Suspect: https://www.netflix.com/title/81288561
      Featuring:
      Albert Perkins

      This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi
      For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand

      Music by: Circles, Field, Yehezkel Raz, and Ahimsa
      Featured music by: Rufus Wainwright
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      1 h et 1 min
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