In this episode, Lasse Rindom speaks with Kathy Pham, global AI leader at Workday and long-time voice in responsible technology. The conversation moves straight past surface-level “AI is cool” talk and into agency, purpose, governance, and what actually happens when autonomous systems meet real work and real people.

4 sharp conversation topics from the episode

• Agency vs purpose - how giving tools more autonomy can quietly remove meaning from the very tasks we thought we were optimizing
• The balance between technology fading into the background and moments where its presence must be explicit.
• How governance can be an accelerator, and why good rules and architecture do not slow innovation but actually make teams move faster without creating tech and social debt
• The tension between flexible, composable systems and the need for clear structures so AI can navigate finance, HR, and planning without going off the rails

This episode is less about “what AI can do” and more about what we should let it do, and what happens to human purpose when efficiency becomes the default answer.

Do you want to know more about Kathy Pham?

Kathy Pham is vice president of artificial intelligence at Workday. She also serves as the first Workday AI ambassador, and hosts the AI Horizons video series.

A computer scientist and product leader, Kathy has experience across industry, academia, non-profits, venture capital, and government. In addition to her role at Workday, Kathy’s a senior advisor at Mozilla, where she co-founded the Mozilla Builders Incubator and Mozilla Responsible Computing, funding and enabling start-up founders and academics. And she’s on the faculty at Harvard University, where she created and teaches the Product Management and Society course and co-founded the Ethical Tech Working Group. She also serves on various technology and non-profit boards.

Previously, Kathy served as the inaugural executive director of the National AI Advisory Committee, was deputy chief technologist at the Federal Trade Commission, and was a founding engineering and product member of the U.S. Digital Service at the White House, where she helped build critical digital services in government across three presidential administrations. In addition, Kathy spent over a decade building large scale systems in industry and healthcare at Google (search, health, people operations), IBM, and Harris Healthcare. She also previously served as a fellow at the MIT Media Lab and at the Harvard Ethics and Governance of Artificial Intelligence Initiative, where she co-founded ai-in-the-loop, exploring how AI fits into the human world.

Kathy completed her undergraduate and graduate studies in computer science at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta and Supelec in Metz, France.

In this episode, Lasse Rindom speaks with Phil Lee, the Managing Director of Digiphile and a leading legal expert on data privacy, GDPR, and the evolving EU digital rulebook. It is a conversation that moves beyond the hype of the AI Act to explore the practical, often messy reality of compliance, investigating how organizations can navigate the "regulatory vicious circle" without stifling innovation.

4 sharp conversation topics from the episode:

- How excessive complexity in legislation causes companies to accidentally fall out of compliance, prompting regulators to create more rules, which only deepens the problem. - Why the biggest governance headache isn't always new tools, but existing vendors quietly rolling out AI features - like a PDF reader suddenly sending data to servers in China via a software update. - The legal reality that systems cannot be held accountable, meaning that regardless of how autonomous an AI agent becomes, a human must always remain in the loop to absorb the liability. - Looking beyond personal data (GDPR) to the new Data Act, which essentially serves as competition law designed to break vendor lock-in and force cloud providers to make proprietary data portable.

This conversation sets the tone and the reality for the interplay of regulation and innovation and is not to be missed by practitioners in the field of AI and data.

Do you want to know more about Phil Lee?

Phil is a lawyer with over 20 years' experience, specialising in data protection and artificial intelligence. His practice focuses mainly on technology, cloud and digital media companies, and he has worked in both London and California.

Phil Lee runs UK challenger law firm, Digiphile, which specialises in data protection, AI, and digital regulation. Digiphile's mission is to provide its global clients across all sectors with simple, strategic and actionable legal advice.

He holds CIPP/E, CIPM, AIGP and FIP status with the IAPP, and a degree in Computer Science from Cambridge University.

In this episode, Lasse Rindom speaks with Katrine Bach - co-founder of Connected Women in AI - about why the real challenge in AI isn’t the tech itself, but how fast our systems entrench around whoever shows up first. Their conversation cuts through talk of values and hype, and asks what it really takes to build representative, inclusive, and effective AI adoption at scale.

• Why AI isn’t a specialist tool anymore - and why that changes who should be in the room
• The early adoption trap: how default practices quietly harden into systems, often without reflection
• Representation as strategy - and how a more diverse talent pool improves both innovation and adoption
• Why the gender gap in AI use and education is not about competence, but confidence - and how community changes that
• How learning profiles, systemic structures, and invisible assumptions still shape who feels entitled to work with AI

This episode challenges the idea that “progress” is neutral - and insists we act now, before habit becomes excluding infrastructure.

Do you want to know more about Katrine Bach?

Katrine Bach is the CEO and founder of Expansion Partners, a consulting firm that helps leaders and entrepreneurs turn AI’s potential into tangible business growth and responsible innovation.

She is also the co-founder and CEO of Connected Women in AI, an organisation that in just one year has brought together more than 5,500 women with the aim of creating equal access to AI skills, career development, and professional networks. For Katrine, diversity is not only about innovation, but about unlocking the full talent pool and thereby strengthening Denmark’s competitiveness at a time when AI is reshaping both the labour market and value creation. Under her leadership, the network is now launching a new digital platform designed to make AI learning and community accessible to even more people, helping ensure that Denmark maintains a strong position in the global AI landscape.

With more than 25 years of international experience in the global pharma and technology industries, Katrine combines strategic insight, business acumen, and a passion for responsible technology. She is a prominent voice in the debate on how Denmark can maintain its competitive edge in the AI era through diversity, innovation, and bold leadership.