What if following the clinical guideline is sometimes the wrong call? Not occasionally. In the kinds of MSK situations that come up regularly. That's the argument physiotherapy researcher Matt Low makes in Part 2 of this conversation, and it's worth sitting with.

About Matt: Matt Low is a physiotherapy clinician and researcher based in the UK whose work sits at the intersection of philosophy, epistemics, and clinical practice. He asks uncomfortable questions about what physical therapy actually is and where it's going.

In this episode:

• Why rigid guideline adherence can be an ethical problem, not a clinical safety net (SIJ fusion as a concrete case)
• How value-based care's four pillars create friction rather than harmony in practice
• What AI is already doing to MSK services right now (Cambridge UK is procuring AI for MSK management today)
• Why ambient documentation tools change more than just note-taking
• The contextual architect: what the PT role looks like when AI handles algorithmic pathways
• What decentering the human in PT curriculum would actually mean in practice

Resources mentioned:

• Chad Cook's paper on value-based care in MSK practice
• Dave Nicholls' work on the future of physiotherapy
• Deleuze and Guattari (rhizome concept applied to clinical thinking)
• Part 1 of this conversation

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Evidence-based practice has a blind spot: not in the research itself, but in how we rank one form of knowledge above all others.

In this episode, I sit down with physiotherapist and PhD candidate Matt Low to unpack what he calls epistemic fluency, the ability to move between different forms of clinical knowledge depending on what the situation actually requires. We cover why population-based research gives you a map but not your patient's territory, how Aristotle's three forms of knowledge apply directly to clinical reasoning, and why the biopsychosocial model functions better as an analytical tool than a practice guide.

We also dig into the Back Cafe — a 3-arm RCT on lumbar spinal fusion rehab that compared a progressive training program, a video program, and a social cafe setting run by a senior physiotherapist. At the 2-year follow-up, the back-cafe group outperformed the training group on pain and beat both other groups on daily task performance. The study raises hard questions about what the active ingredient in rehabilitation actually is.

This is Part 1 of 2.

LINKS

• Join Modern Pain Pro
• Matt Low's blog
• Back Cafe study (PubMed)
• CauseHealth (Matt's network)

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Most chronic pain patients aren't failing to improve because they aren't trying. They're failing because no one in their care has helped them see what they're actually up against.

In this solo episode, Mark breaks down why even well-intentioned biopsychosocial care often falls apart in practice -- and why the fix isn't just adding more disciplines to the team.

Key takeaways:

- What the Misdirected Problem Solving Model reveals about chronic pain care
- Why patients still separate the "body problem" from the "mind thing" even when seeing both PT and a psychologist
- How incoherent clinical narratives keep patients locked in biomedical thinking
- What true interdisciplinary care actually looks like vs. parallel care happening in silos
- How PTs can bring the psychosocial in -- and why psychology needs to bring the body back into the conversation
- What a unified clinical story sounds like in practice

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