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  • The Paper Cuts Microsoft Actually Fixes: A Deep Dive into .NET 10 with Mark J Price

    The Paper Cuts Microsoft Actually Fixes: A Deep Dive into .NET 10 with Mark J Price
    Feb 20 2026
    Strategic Technology Consultation Services This episode of The Modern .NET Show is supported, in part, by RJJ Software's Strategic Technology Consultation Services. If you're an SME (Small to Medium Enterprise) leader wondering why your technology investments aren't delivering, or you're facing critical decisions about AI, modernization, or team productivity, let's talk. Show Notes "There's so much that we can talk about with. NET 10 and related things like C# 14. So I'm going to try and focus on a few of the highlights that are personal highlights for me So let's start with the language actually, C# 14."— Mark J Price Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem. Today, we're joined by Mark J Price to talk about some of our favourite things in .NET 10 and his new four-part book series on, quite literally, everything .NET. Mark is one of the most prolific authors in the .NET space at the moment, and his new book series is shaping up to be a fantastic resource. "One of the things that I've always appreciated with Microsoft and their culture is that they have a very strong requirement that thing things are as backwards compatible as possible."— Mark J Price Along the way, we talked about the recent changes to the STS (aka Standard Term Support) lifecycle for .NET, brining more support to the odd numbered versions of .NET and giving companies more time to migrate from one version to the next. We also covered a very important point when it comes to either STS or LTS towards the end of the episode: essentially, keep your runtimes up to date, folks. This episode marks the fifth appearance of Mark on the show. Mark has been a wonderful collaborator over the years, and long may that continue. We joke about the fact that Mark deserves an award for the guest with the most episodes, but maybe he does deserve an award. Unless someone out there is willing to beat his record, of course. Before we jump in, a quick reminder: if The Modern .NET Show has become part of your learning journey, please consider supporting us through Patreon or Buy Me A Coffee. Every contribution helps us continue bringing you these in-depth conversations with industry experts. You'll find all the links in the show notes. Anyway, without further ado, let's sit back, open up a terminal, type in `dotnet new podcast` and we'll dive into the core of Modern .NET. Full Show Notes The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/the-paper-cuts-microsoft-actually-fixes-a-deep-dive-into-net-10-with-mark-j-price/ Useful Links: Mark's Books: C# 14 and .NET 10 – Modern Cross-Platform Development FundamentalsReal-World Web Development with .NET 10Apps and Services with .NET 10Tools and Skills for .NET 10 Mark on GitHubPackt Publishing Discord.NET Pro newsletter Supporting the show: Leave a rating or reviewBuy the show a coffeeBecome a patron Getting in Touch: Via the contact pageJoining the Discord Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast. Music created by Mono Memory Music, licensed to RJJ Software for use in The Modern .NET Show. Editing and post-production services for this episode were provided by MB Podcast Services.
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    1 h et 4 min
  • Jody Donetti on Creating FusionCache and Collaborating with Microsoft on HybridCache

    Jody Donetti on Creating FusionCache and Collaborating with Microsoft on HybridCache
    Feb 6 2026
    Strategic Technology Consultation Services This episode of The Modern .NET Show is supported, in part, by RJJ Software's Strategic Technology Consultation Services. If you're an SME (Small to Medium Enterprise) leader wondering why your technology investments aren't delivering, or you're facing critical decisions about AI, modernization, or team productivity, let's talk. Show Notes "The idea is that you get you have some sort of source. It's called usually the single source of truth, which is usually a database. In the case of web caching is the remote server that is the authoritative uh source of truth."— Jody Donetti Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem. Today, we're joined by to talk about FusionCache, caching in general, and what in-memory, distributed, and hybrid caching are. Note: hybrid caching ins't the same as the Microsoft library HybridCache. "That's the first problem. The second problem is that by using a distributed cache directly, you pay the price of network calls and deserialization every single cache call that you make."— Jody Donetti Along the way, we talked about open source development, how Jody got started with working in the open, and that listeners should never be scared of working in the open. If you're building something for fun or to learn (rather than to give back or create the next big open source library), then let people know in the readme. Before we jump in, a quick reminder: if The Modern .NET Show has become part of your learning journey, please consider supporting us through Patreon or Buy Me A Coffee. Every contribution helps us continue bringing you these in-depth conversations with industry experts. You'll find all the links in the show notes. Anyway, without further ado, let's sit back, open up a terminal, type in `dotnet new podcast` and we'll dive into the core of Modern .NET. Full Show Notes The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/jody-donetti-on-creating-fusioncache-and-collaborating-with-microsoft-on-hybridcache/ Useful Links: Jody's courses on DometrainFusionCache HybridCache Supporting the show: Leave a rating or reviewBuy the show a coffeeBecome a patron Getting in Touch: Via the contact pageJoining the Discord Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast. Music created by Mono Memory Music, licensed to RJJ Software for use in The Modern .NET Show. Editing and post-production services for this episode were provided by MB Podcast Services.
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    1 h et 1 min
  • BONUS: Jamie's Appearance on Coder Radio 640 - GitHub's Spec-Kit

    BONUS: Jamie's Appearance on Coder Radio 640 - GitHub's Spec-Kit
    Feb 2 2026
    Show Notes

    Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. This episode is a slight departure from the standard episode format, as it's a snippet of an episode of Code Radio.

    I was invited to discuss GitHub's SpecKit on Coder Radio as I'd been talking about it on the Discord server for the show for a while and really believe in it's transformative power as one of the better Coding-with-AI frameworks.

    During the episode, I brough up ClawdBot which immediately aged the episode. Clawdbot has gone through two name changes since the episode was recorded and this bonus episode was released: first to MoltBot then to OpenClaw.

    Another thing to note is that, since the episode went live Michael has opened up his Code for Climate 2026 — The Mad Botter Earth Day Open Source Challenge for anyone in K-12 and college education. So if you know folks who would be interested, send them the link. There are some amazing prizes up for grabs, including a couple of System76 computer systems and even a paid internship at The Mad Botter Inc.

    Anyway, let's get to the episode.

    Full Show Notes

    The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/bonus-coder-radio-episode-640-snippet/

    Useful Links:
    • Coder Radio
    • The Modern .Net Shows' Jamie Taylor
    • SpecKit
    • Coder Radio Discord
    • Code for Climate 2026 — The Mad Botter Earth Day Open Source Challenge
    • OpenClaw
    • OWASP
    Michael's Links
    • Website
    • LinkedIn
    Getting in Touch:
    • Via the contact page
    • Joining the Discord

    Music created by Mono Memory Music, licensed to RJJ Software for use in The Modern .NET Show.

    Editing and post-production services for this episode were provided by MB Podcast Services.
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    18 min
  • From Chaos to Control: Anton Moldovan on Load Testing with NBomber

    From Chaos to Control: Anton Moldovan on Load Testing with NBomber
    Jan 23 2026
    Strategic Technology Consultation Services This episode of The Modern .NET Show is supported, in part, by RJJ Software's Strategic Technology Consultation Services. If you're an SME (Small to Medium Enterprise) leader wondering why your technology investments aren't delivering, or you're facing critical decisions about AI, modernization, or team productivity, let's talk. Show Notes "Another thing which I also observed is that there is some benefit to be able to run your load test in your native... using your native platform, libraries, protocol access; those type of things. Because in our case, for example, we use Orleans and it's a proprietary protocol which doesn't exist in in Java in Scala language. The same about, almost the same, was about Signal R: Microsoft released SignalR for Java, but the quality of this library was different."— Anton Moldovan Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem. Today, we're joined by Anton Moldovan to talk about load testing, advice for testing strategies, and how NBomber can help you to load test your applications. Are you sure that your application can handle 4 million users at once? Better load test it before you start boasting. "We call this type of test, like, "user journey." Like, end-to-end simulating user journey across entire applications. So end-to-end, end-to-end flow, end-to-end tests. But this type of test they they have some downsides."— Anton Moldovan Along the way, we talked the different types of testing involved in getting your application for production, the many different ways that NBomber (or other load testing suites) can help you prepare for that, and Anton helps us understand a little more about functional programming. Before we jump in, a quick reminder: if The Modern .NET Show has become part of your learning journey, please consider supporting us through Patreon or Buy Me A Coffee. Every contribution helps us continue bringing you these in-depth conversations with industry experts. You'll find all the links in the show notes. Anyway, without further ado, let's sit back, open up a terminal, type in `dotnet new podcast` and we'll dive into the core of Modern .NET. Full Show Notes The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/from-chaos-to-control-anton-moldovan-on-load-testing-with-nbomber/ Useful Links: NDepend BlogVideosUse Cases Supporting the show: Leave a rating or reviewBuy the show a coffeeBecome a patron Getting in Touch: Via the contact pageJoining the Discord Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast. Music created by Mono Memory Music, licensed to RJJ Software for use in The Modern .NET Show. Editing and post-production services for this episode were provided by MB Podcast Services.
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    55 min
  • NDepend with Patrick Smacchia: Scaling .NET Code Quality

    NDepend with Patrick Smacchia: Scaling .NET Code Quality
    Jan 9 2026
    Strategic Technology Consultation Services This episode of The Modern .NET Show is supported, in part, by RJJ Software's Strategic Technology Consultation Services. If you're an SME (Small to Medium Enterprise) leader wondering why your technology investments aren't delivering, or you're facing critical decisions about AI, modernization, or team productivity, let's talk. Show Notes "So the interest plays a lot of a huge role. Like for example a security issue, it can take you maybe half a day to fix, or maybe one hour to fix; so it's very easy to fix. But if you don't fix it, you get so... you'll get so many angry users that it may be, it maybe, it will cost you your entire business; you see. So this can be seen as an interest."— Patrick Smacchia Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem. Today, we're joined by Patrick Smacchia to talk about NDepend, technical debt and the interest it accrues (something that's often forgotten about), and how NDepend can help you to keep your tech debt (and it's interest) low. "But the thing we see is that the edge code is usually the code where you get the bugs. So you end up writing some quick tests that can cover 90% of your code, but your 10% here is not tested. And because it's not well implemented and it's likely to contain the bug. So, maybe you should refactor your code and make your class testable."— Patrick Smacchia Along the way, we talked about the common pitfalls that most developers make when writing code, and how to keep your code both testable and easy to maintain. We also took some time to talk about bug reports, the things that you and I can do to ensure that our bug reports are read, providing positive feedback, the Visual Studio teams' velocity, and some of the amazing new features in Visual Studio 2026 like the ... well, I'm getting ahead of myself. You'll have to listen in to the episode to find out what those features are. Before we jump in, a quick reminder: if The Modern .NET Show has become part of your learning journey, please consider supporting us through Patreonor Buy Me A Coffee. Every contribution helps us continue bringing you these in-depth conversations with industry experts. You'll find all the links in the show notes. Anyway, without further ado, let's sit back, open up a terminal, type in `dotnet new podcast` and we'll dive into the core of Modern .NET. Full Show Notes The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/ndepend-with-patrick-smacchia-scaling-net-code-quality/ Useful Links: NDepend BlogVideosUse Cases Episode 112 - NDepend with Patrick SmacchiaCQLinqPatrick on LinkedInNDepend on LinkedIn Supporting the show: Leave a rating or reviewBuy the show a coffeeBecome a patron Getting in Touch: Via the contact pageJoining the Discord Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast. Music created by Mono Memory Music, licensed to RJJ Software for use in The Modern .NET Show. Editing and post-production services for this episode were provided by MB Podcast Services.
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    1 h et 10 min
  • Unpacking Visual Studio 2026: New Features, Bug Fixes, and What's Coming Next with Mads Kristensen

    Unpacking Visual Studio 2026: New Features, Bug Fixes, and What's Coming Next with Mads Kristensen
    Dec 12 2025
    Strategic Technology Consultation Services This episode of The Modern .NET Show is supported, in part, by RJJ Software's Strategic Technology Consultation Services. If you're an SME (Small to Medium Enterprise) leader wondering why your technology investments aren't delivering, or you're facing critical decisions about AI, modernization, or team productivity, let's talk. Show Notes "And the first feature we have that take advantage of this deep integration is the Profiler Agent. And this is absolutely bonkers. So you can simply go to the chat window in Visual Studio and you can ask…"— Mads Kristensen Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem. Today, we're joined by Mads Kristensen to talk about all things IDEs, tooling, and the new functionality that Visual Studio 2026 (aka "Dev 18") includes and how it has the chance of greatly impacting your development practice, in a fantastic way! "And we want to make sure that You know, we we do as many of those as we can. We want to remove those paper cuts, make you as happy as possible. And so if you look back at the last 12 months, we have of you know of all the bugs people have opened on us, we fixed almost 4500 user-reported bugs. That's 18 bugs that we fixed every single work day."— Mads Kristensen Did you know that Mads was present for what many see as the inciting incident that lead to .NET being both open source and cross platform: when jQuery was bundled with ASP .NET Framework and Visual Studio.. We also took some time to talk about bug reports, the things that you and I can do to ensure that our bug reports are read, providing positive feedback, the Visual Studio teams' velocity, and some of the amazing new features in Visual Studio 2026 like the ... well, I'm getting ahead of myself. You'll have to listen in to the episode to find out what those features are. It's also worth noting that I recorded this podcast with Mads back in late August 2025, which was way ahead of the public preview of Visual Studio 2026. Whilst we didn't talk about anything that was super secret, things might have changed between recording the episode and you listening in. Before we jump in, a quick reminder: if The Modern .NET Show has become part of your learning journey, please consider supporting us through Patreon or Buy Me A Coffee. Every contribution helps us continue bringing you these in-depth conversations with industry experts. You'll find all the links in the show notes. Anyway, without further ado, let's sit back, open up a terminal, type in `dotnet new podcast` and we'll dive into the core of Modern .NET. Full Show Notes The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/unpacking-visual-studio-2026-new-features-bug-fixes-and-whats-coming-next-with-mads-kristensen/ Useful Links: BlogEngine .NETvisualstudio.comMads on X (formerly Twitter)the Visual Studio team on XSupporting the show: Leave a rating or reviewBuy the show a coffeeBecome a patron Getting in touch: via the contact pagejoining the Discord Podcast editing services provided by Matthew BlissMusic created by Mono Memory Music, licensed to RJJ Software for use in The Modern .NET ShowEditing and post-production services for this episode were provided by MB Podcast Services Supporting the show: Leave a rating or reviewBuy the show a coffeeBecome a patron Getting in Touch: Via the contact pageJoining the Discord Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast. Music created by Mono Memory Music, licensed to RJJ Software for use in The Modern .NET Show. Editing and post-production services for this episode were provided by MB Podcast Services.
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    1 h et 4 min
  • Building on .NET 10: A Chat with Kajetan Duszyńsk, Author of '.NET 10 Revealed'

    Building on .NET 10: A Chat with Kajetan Duszyńsk, Author of '.NET 10 Revealed'
    Nov 28 2025
    Strategic Technology Consultation Services This episode of The Modern .NET Show is supported, in part, by RJJ Software's Strategic Technology Consultation Services. If you're an SME (Small to Medium Enterprise) leader wondering why your technology investments aren't delivering, or you're facing critical decisions about AI, modernization, or team productivity, let's talk. Show Notes "You actually cannot do proper vertical slice if you are bounded to controllers. Because there are some additional dependencies that you can download, like Ardalis [ApiEndpoints] or like Fast Endpoints that will give you actually what Minimal API is giving you. But with the standard controller-based approach you are not able to do the full vertical slice, because every time you'll need to take this, let's say presentation layer, outside your slice because it needs to be, just as you said, in the class that is inheriting from Controller and doing all the actions and stuff like this."— Kajetan Duszyński Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem. Today, we're joined by Kajetan Duszyński to talk about some of the new things that are coming up in .NET 10. We cover some of the big things that you might have missed, some of the optimisations you can make by removing code (listen up for one in a few moments), and we also talk about his new book ".NET 10 Revealed." "So you all need to remember that if you are using Minimal APIs and you've used the extension method WithOpenAPI(), which created a proper OpenAPI schema. Right now it won't be used, so you'll need to delete every usage of this method from your whole application, because it will be um added by default in the pipeline of creating, of starting up the application."— Kajetan Duszyński Along the way we talked about allocations, the importance of learning MSIL (what your C# and F# code is compiled to), memory management, how fast .NET is moving and when we're likely to see the first public preview of .NET 11, and the vertical slice architecture. One of the biggest things that I think will cause some head scratching in .NET 10 is the new local self-signed TLS certificate. I've linked to an article by the folks at Duende about this, and it'll be worth adding it to your reading list. It's a great addition to .NET 10, but it'll catch some folks out. Before we jump in, a quick reminder: if The Modern .NET Show has become part of your learning journey, please consider supporting us through Patreon or Buy Me A Coffee. Every contribution helps us continue bringing you these in-depth conversations with industry experts. You'll find all the links in the show notes. Anyway, without further ado, let's sit back, open up a terminal, type in `dotnet new podcast` and we'll dive into the core of Modern .NET. Full Show Notes The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/building-on-net-10-a-chat-with-kajetan-duszynsk-author-of-net-10-revealed Useful Links: Ardalis ApiEndpointsREPR patternFast Endpoints Why You Should Be Using .NET 10's New TLS CertificateKajetan's .NET schoolKajetan on LinkedIn.NET 10 RevealedSupporting the show: Leave a rating or reviewBuy the show a coffeeBecome a patron Getting in touch: via the contact pagejoining the Discord Podcast editing services provided by Matthew BlissMusic created by Mono Memory Music, licensed to RJJ Software for use in The Modern .NET ShowEditing and post-production services for this episode were provided by MB Podcast Services Supporting the show: Leave a rating or reviewBuy the show a coffeeBecome a patron Getting in Touch: Via the contact pageJoining the Discord Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast. Music created by Mono Memory Music, licensed to RJJ Software for use in The Modern .NET Show. Editing and post-production services for this episode were provided by MB Podcast Services.
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    1 h et 8 min
  • Hayden Barnes and CVE-2025-33515

    Hayden Barnes and CVE-2025-33515
    Nov 21 2025
    Show Notes Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem. This episode is a super important, top-of-the-heap, bonus episode that you definitely need to be listening to. I, basically, reached out to Hayden Barnes, who we've just now had on the show to talk about .NET never-ending support and what happens when you drop out of support with Microsoft. The reason that I did that, and the reason that this intro is so raw is because we talked about what is known as "the worst CVE for the internet as a whole. If you want to Google it while we're talking right now, look for "CVE 2025-55315". We'll get into it in a moment, but pretty much everything on the internet is susceptible to this, and only .NET 8, 9, and 10 have a fix. Nothing else has a fix in the. NET space. You will find out in this episode what it is, what problems it can cause you, and how to solve those problems. Please stick around and listen, folks. Thank you, Matt, the editor, for putting this together so quickly. Anyway, on with the episode. I'm not even going to do the dotnet new podcast thing. It's that important. Full Show Notes The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/hayden-barnes-and-cve-2025-55315 About the CVE: Understanding CVE-2025-55315: What CISOs, security engineers, and sysadmins should know ASP.NET Security Feature Bypass VulnerabilityFunky chunks: abusing ambiguous chunk line terminators for request smuggling Understanding the worst .NET vulnerability ever: request smuggling and CVE-2025-55315 Hero Devs on Xon YouTubeon LinkedIn Hayden's links on Xon LinkedInon his blog Supporting the show: Leave a rating or reviewBuy the show a coffeeBecome a patron Getting in touch: via the contact pagejoining the Discord Miscellaneous links: Podcast editing services provided by Matthew BlissMusic created by Mono Memory Music, licensed to RJJ Software for use in The Modern .NET ShowEditing and post-production services for this episode were provided by MB Podcast Services Remember to rate and review the show on Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, or wherever you find your podcasts, this will help the show's audience grow. Or you can just share the show with a friend. And don't forget to reach out via our Contact page. We're very interested in your opinion of the show, so please get in touch. You can support the show by making a monthly donation on the show's Patreon page at: https://www.patreon.com/TheDotNetCorePodcast. Music created by Mono Memory Music, licensed to RJJ Software for use in The Modern .NET Show. Editing and post-production services for this episode were provided by MB Podcast Services.
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    36 min