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Kate and Josh discuss Swalwell's downfall, Orbán's ouster and Alito's possible retirement.

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Kate and Josh talk war and midterms from the Lone Star State (with a special bonus segment featuring the Texas Observer’s Justin Miller).

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Kate and Josh talk Pam Bondi's ouster, Trump's Iran stemwinder and the birthright citizenship oral arguments.

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Kate and Josh talk airports in crisis, Trump's bewildering political calculus and, believe it or not, an optimistic vision of what a post-Trump world could look like.

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Kate and Josh discuss the DHS secretary confirmation hearings, a big defection on Iran and the Illinois primaries.

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Kate and Josh talk the Iran war and Kristi Noem's ouster.

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Kate and Josh talk election returns and Trump's new war with Iran.

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