What if there's a way to scale a hospitality portfolio without having to own the real estate? For operators looking to grow quickly without raising millions in equity or navigating complex bank financing, the OpCo-PropCo model offers a compelling alternative path.

In this episode, you'll discover how to build a hospitality brand by leasing properties instead of buying them, command premium ADRs without real estate risk, and scale across multiple markets using the OpCo-PropCo model.

An outdoor hospitality founder who operates campgrounds, backcountry lodges, and micro-hotels across Colorado, Arkansas, and California shares how he scaled to four properties in three years without traditional financing. Sam Degenhard's Campfire Ranch model separates operations from ownership, partnering with land investors who buy the real estate while he focuses on building a brand that commands $90 to $1,400 ADRs and spends just 2-3% of revenue on marketing.

In this episode, you'll discover:

• The exact lease structure that lets you scale hospitality properties without raising millions for acquisitions
• How to partner with real estate investors who buy the land while you control 100% of operations and guest experience
• Why focusing on the business side lets you open properties faster with significantly less capital
• The owner-operator staffing model that runs an 8-bedroom lodge profitably with one employee
• How to command 4-5X market rates by building brand loyalty instead of competing on OTA platforms
• The due diligence process that identifies underperforming assets is perfect for operational turnarounds
• Why subscale properties under 30 keys deliver better margins than traditional hotel models

Whether you're an operator exploring faster paths to scale or an investor looking to understand how hospitality brands grow without traditional real estate ownership, this episode reveals a proven model that separates the business of hospitality from owning the dirt and the strategic advantages that come with focusing purely on operations.

About Sam Degenhard

Sam Degenhard is the Founder and CEO of Campfire Ranch, a vertically integrated outdoor hospitality brand building a diverse "collection" of adventure basecamps, ranging from developed campgrounds to backcountry huts and renovated lodges. A veteran of Red Bull’s sports marketing team, Sam famously traded his corporate career for life in a teardrop trailer on public land, launching a business dedicated to removing the "friction" of camping for the experience generation. He now specializes in the acquisition and operation of sub-30-key assets in high-recreation markets like the Rockies, the Ozarks, and the Sierra, utilizing an OpCo model to partner with real estate investors while delivering high-touch, community-driven guest experiences.

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Most investors think they're building a business, but they're actually building themselves a job. The truth? If you died tomorrow, your "business" would die with you.

A real estate investor who scaled from 80-hour weeks to just 4 hours per month reveals the exact automation framework that freed him—and how to apply it to any real estate asset, including hotels.

Mark Podolsky built a multi-million dollar land flipping operation, lost 50% of it in 2008, then rebuilt it into a passive income machine that runs without him. His approach isn't about working harder—it's about systematizing smarter.

In this episode, you'll discover:

• The 3-step system to automate ANY real estate process: Do it, Document it, Delegate it
• How to systemize direct-to-owner outreach for boutique hotels (instead of competing on broker listings)
• How to lock up deals with minimal capital and flip them to other investors (the arbitrage model)
• How to use inexpensive virtual assistants to handle repetitive acquisition tasks
• Why the biggest mistake new investors make isn't about the property—it's about their calendar
• The "brick your phone" strategy that helped Mark reclaim focus and family time

The real question isn't whether you can find deals. It's whether you can build a business that doesn't require you to do everything yourself. This episode shows you the framework to buy back your time while building real wealth.

About Mark Podolsky

Mark Podolsky, widely known as "The Land Geek," is a former investment banker turned land investor who has completed over 6,000 unique raw land transactions since 2001. As the author of Dirt Rich and host of The Art of Passive Income podcast, he teaches investors how to acquire distressed land for pennies on the dollar to generate passive income without the headaches of "tenants, toilets, and termites". Through his coaching platforms and automation software like GeekPay.io, Mark empowers entrepreneurs to build scalable, recession-resilient businesses that break the cycle of solo economic dependency.

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Most hotel owners think the only way to reduce OTA dependency is to throw more money at Facebook ads or hire expensive marketing agencies. But the real solution isn't more budget, it's leveraging what you already have: authentic stories and staff who actually care about the guest experience.

A hospitality marketing veteran who's advised VCs and built a 1.6 million social following reveals the direct booking playbook that independent hotels are using to reclaim revenue from OTAs. Scott Eddy has spoken at hundreds of conferences worldwide, doing the unexpected: giving away strategies that agencies charge thousands for.

In this episode, you'll discover:

• Why rolling out the red carpet for OTA guests (instead of alienating them) converts 30%+ into direct bookers
• The exact content categories that drive bookings and why shaky iPhone footage outperforms polished videos
• How to make your front desk staff into content superstars without hiring an expensive agency
• The one Instagram metric (hint: it's not followers) that actually predicts revenue
• Why "saves" and "comments" matter 10x more than likes for direct bookings
• The AI-discoverable scripting framework that's replacing traditional SEO for hotel discovery
• How long-form storytelling videos outperform short-form for brand discoverability (despite what Instagram tells you)
• The fatal mistake 80% of hotels make: posting beautiful property photos with promo text overlays that actively repel guests

If you're serious about reducing OTA dependency and building a direct booking engine without a massive marketing budget, this episode will provide the roadmap. Don't make the expensive mistake of outsourcing what your in-house team can do better.

About Scott Eddy

Scott Eddy is a globally recognized hospitality brand strategist and digital pioneer who transitioned from a decade in investment banking to founding the first and largest digital agency in Southeast Asia. With a combined following of over 1.2 million, Scott has hosted the travel series Video Globetrotter on Lifetime Television and is consistently ranked among the top 15 hospitality influencers in the world. He now travels full-time as a consultant and keynote speaker, helping hotel brands convert authentic storytelling into measurable ROI while championing the "independent advantage" through raw, human-centered digital engagement. A genuine citizen of the world, Scott lives entirely out of hotels and cruise ships, leveraging his experiences in 85+ countries and 120+ cruises to provide a unique "perpetual guest" perspective on the evolving travel landscape.

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