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 Get all the dirty details and legal insights from Houston Lawyers, Kyle Herbert and Peter Taffe, as they explore exciting cases. Kyle Herbert: https://herberttrial.com Peter Taaffe: https://comeauxmediation.com/attorney/peter-taaffe/ Bill Ogden: https://fbtrial.com/attorneys/bill-ogden/2022 Sciences sociales
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    • S4 Eps 2: Stephen Boutros Interview

      S4 Eps 2: Stephen Boutros Interview
      Jan 20 2026

      Welcome back to The Dirty Verdict—and this week, Peter Taaffe and Kyle Herbert are coming to you Tuesday after Thanksgiving with two things on the agenda: a little post-game storytelling from a wild weekend in Austin, and a masterclass in building a real law practice the right way.

      Their featured guest is Stephen Boutros, a board-certified personal injury trial lawyer and proud Texas Aggie, who joins the show for an honest conversation about what it takes to sustain a long, successful career without chasing hype. Stephen walks through his path from South Texas College of Law to plaintiff's work, how a single early verdict changed everything, and why he intentionally runs a lean firm focused on personalized client care—not volume.

      Along the way, the guys dive into unforgettable war stories (including a dumpster explosion case and a catastrophic workplace injury caught on video), smart trial strategy when liability isn't perfect, and the practical habits Stephen believes separate great lawyers from average ones: show up prepared, care about people, tell the truth, and do the right thing—especially when nobody's watching.

      If you're a young lawyer thinking about going solo (or just trying to build something that lasts), this episode is packed with perspective, tactics, and the kind of wisdom you only get after decades in the arena.

      Guest: Stephen Boutros
      Website: BoutrosLaw.com
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      57 min
    • S4 Eps 1: Will Moye and Ryan Loya Share Major Verdicts

      S4 Eps 1: Will Moye and Ryan Loya Share Major Verdicts
      Jan 6 2026
      In this episode of The Dirty Verdict, hosts Peter Taaffe, Bill Ogden, and Kyle Herbert welcome back fan-favorite trial lawyer Will (now with The Counsel Table podcast) alongside Ryan Loya, who's fresh off launching his own firm. After some classic Dirty Verdict banter—college football pain, unexpected fan shoutouts, and law-firm "launch party" flexes—the conversation pivots into a deep dive on one of the most catastrophic industrial incidents Houston has seen in years: a propylene leak and explosion that devastated a neighborhood in January 2020. Will and Ryan break down how the litigation evolved into a massive Texas MDL, why the case became "the gamut" of tort claims (personal injury, property damage, business interruption, subrogation, and more), and how the trial team secured two monster verdicts—$37.8M in the first trial and $118M+ in the second. The group also digs into trial strategy: how MDL "trial tracks" get chosen, how the defense approached (and arguably misplayed) damages, the value of picking the right liability narrative, and why juries—especially younger jurors—are thinking differently about corporate accountability. If you want a real-world masterclass in explosion litigation, MDL mechanics, and trial tactics under pressure, this one's loaded. Show Highlights (with timestamps) 00:00:00 – 00:01:00 — Intro00:01:00 – 00:02:22 — Will's return + the running joke about his podcast spinoff era (The Counsel Table / "coaching tree" banter).00:03:03 – 00:04:28 — Ryan Loya joins, shares his background, and announces his new firm launch (including the Bentley showroom party).00:04:28 – 00:05:33 — Law-firm websites, domain-name chaos, and the "starting a business is just buying URLs" reality.00:06:15 – 00:07:52 — College football detour: hostile road environment stories and Texas/Georgia frustration.00:07:52 – 00:09:43 — Fan shoutouts, the "who's your favorite host?" debate, and the crew reacting in real time.00:09:43 – 00:12:13 — The incident overview: propylene leak, ~10+ hours of gas accumulation, switch flip → explosion → neighborhood damage.00:12:13 – 00:14:00 — Casualties and injuries discussed; why Houston's lack of zoning can put heavy industry next to homes.00:13:42 – 00:15:12 — MDL explained (for non-lawyers): centralized claims, same tort, different damages—how it differs from class actions.00:15:12 – 00:17:03 — The case complexity explodes: nuisance, injury, property, insurer subrogation, business interruption; plus bankruptcy complications.00:18:05 – 00:21:31 — Defendants and liability focus: gas detection systems, service obligations, corporate handoffs, and the "we didn't own it anymore" defense.00:20:47 – 00:21:31 — The first big number lands: $37.8M (Trial 1), and the second: $118M+ (Trial 2).00:21:31 – 00:23:14 — How MDL "trial tracks" are picked: plaintiff picks vs defense picks and the strategy behind each.00:23:14 – 00:24:57 — Settlements/non-suits reshaping the lineup right before trial; trial team composition and collaboration across firms.00:26:03 – 00:28:00 — Trial strategy critique: defense under-anchoring damages, limited pushback, and why that can backfire.00:28:18 – 00:29:31 — Key tactical move: narrowing targets ("ride one horse") to simplify the liability story for the jury.00:31:02 – 00:32:18 — Fault allocation talk + a rare joint enterprise finding discussion and what it means in practical terms.00:33:07 – 00:34:36 — The "reptile" angle without gross negligence: internal safety language like "protect the community" becomes trial fuel.00:38:06 – 00:39:48 — Appellate counsel mentions + jury selection decisions (including shuffling based on early panel composition).00:42:44 – 00:44:14 — Trial 2 injuries: orthopedic workups/surgeries, chemical exposure claims, and the major plaintiff: a 9-year-old with scleroderma.00:46:03 – 00:47:25 — Practice pointer: the danger of trial-depo video strategy and how cross-exam choices can haunt you.00:46:31 – 00:48:30 — Deliberations lasted days; holdout dynamics; biggest award in Trial 2: $58M to the child plaintiff.00:48:30 – 00:49:36 — A Gen Z juror's accountability mindset: "I'm not signing unless the corporate defendant is 51%+."00:50:18 – 00:52:28 — Will reflects on how the show helped his firm; big shoutouts to the collaborative team that carried the case for years.
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      54 min
    • S3 Eps 30: Sean Teare - Harris County DA

      S3 Eps 30: Sean Teare - Harris County DA
      Dec 17 2025

      The Dirty Verdict crew is back with Houston mediator Peter Taaffe and co-host Kyle Herbert—plus producer Amanda—welcoming back Harris County District Attorney Sean Teare for a wide-ranging, candid conversation. Teare breaks down what he's learned in his first months in office, how he's rebuilding morale by bringing veteran prosecutors back, and why he's personally getting back into the courtroom. The discussion also dives into criminal justice priorities, jail population trends, a new diversion concept partnering with trade unions, and how today's immigration enforcement climate is impacting witnesses, prosecutions, and public safety in Harris County.

      Main Highlights (with time stamps)

      • 00:00:38 – Peter and Kyle kick off the show, explain Bill Ogden's absence, and bring in producer Amanda
      • 00:01:44 – DA Sean Teare returns: recap of his election win and what he's focused on now
      • 00:04:41 – Rebuilding the DA's office: Teare shares how experienced prosecutors and leaders are coming back
      • 00:05:39 – Teare talks trying cases himself—including a major intoxication manslaughter conviction—and why it matters
      • 00:07:11 – Leadership style shift: "rolling up sleeves," working dockets, and boosting office morale
      • 00:13:02 – Key jail and crime stats: shifting focus away from low-level drug cases toward violent crime priorities
      • 00:17:21 – Big opportunity: diversion programs + an innovative partnership with unions/apprenticeships to cut recidivism
      • 00:31:04 – Immigration enforcement's real-world courtroom impact: witnesses too afraid (or unable) to testify
      • 01:03:42 – "Serial killer?" rumor addressed: Teare explains why the cases point to homelessness/addiction issues instead
      • 01:07:51 – Wrap-up: where to follow the show + Teare hints at branding the union diversion initiative
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      1 h et 8 min
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