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  • The Trust Behind the Transition: UBS Breakaways on What It Takes to Move $1B in a Matter of Months

    The Trust Behind the Transition: UBS Breakaways on What It Takes to Move $1B in a Matter of Months
    Oct 15 2026
    Michael Lee & Steve Armaly—Founders & Managing Partners, Ox Road Capital After leaving UBS to launch Ox Road Capital, Michael Lee, Steve Armaly, and their partners crossed $1B in AUM in just 225 days. They share how years of client trust, partner alignment, and a client-first vision helped make an extraordinary transition possible. In Summary When Michael Lee, Steve Armaly, and their partners left UBS to launch Ox Road Capital, they walked out the door without client information or a single dollar in assets at their new firm. Just 225 days later, Ox Road crossed $1B in AUM. But that extraordinary result was years in the making. Mike and Steve join Mindy to share the story behind the transition: why a highly successful $1.2B UBS team decided its vision had outgrown the employee model, how four partners worked through very different perspectives to reach alignment, and why they ultimately chose independence over the significant recruiting economics available elsewhere. They also discuss the realities of leaving a non-Protocol firm, how clients responded, and why years spent building trusted relationships became one of their most valuable assets during the transition. Today, with approximately $1.1B in AUM, a 93% retention rate, six additional team members, and a growing new-business pipeline, Ox Road is beginning to realize the larger vision behind the move: greater control over resources, technology, marketing, staffing, and the client experience. The Storyline For Mike, the idea of independence dates back to 2009. The entrepreneurial instinct was there, but the infrastructure, economics, and timing weren’t. He joined UBS instead and, over the next 16 years, helped build an extraordinarily successful business. Steve had a similar entrepreneurial streak. Together with partners Brian Blackburn and Jeff Allen, they built an integrated team around financial planning, client service, and portfolio management—and a belief that people perform best when they can “soar with their strengths.” Success, however, eventually created a different question: Could the business they wanted to build continue to thrive within the structure of a traditional firm? Their answer did not come quickly or unanimously. The four partners spent roughly a year working toward alignment, at one point turning to an outside counselor to help them navigate differences that threatened a partnership they considered more important than any particular firm or business model. Once aligned, their priority became clear: Any move had to make things better for clients first. With Diamond Consultants helping them understand a rapidly evolving landscape and evaluate the range of available options, the team ultimately chose to build Ox Road Capital through LPL Strategic Wealth Services. Then came the real test. Leaving non-Protocol UBS meant walking out without client information and trusting that years of doing right by clients would matter. The response offered a powerful answer: Ox Road crossed $1B in AUM just 225 days later. The story is ultimately less about how quickly $1B moved than about everything that happened before it could: years of service, transparency, partnership, and trust. Topics Covered Why Mike first considered independence in 2009—and why the timing wasn’t rightThe meaning behind the Ox Road name and its connection to humility, service, sacrifice, hard work, and teamworkHow four partners built an integrated team around complementary strengthsWhy partner alignment became one of the hardest parts of the decisionWhen their successful UBS practice began to outgrow the employee modelWhy serving clients better became the team’s “true north”The economics of choosing long-term ownership over a large recruiting packageHow the independence landscape has evolved for billion-dollar wirehouse teamsDiamond Consultants’ role in helping the team understand and narrow the opportunity setThe risks and realities of leaving a non-Protocol firmHow years of client trust contributed to a 93% retention rateWhy they selected LPL Strategic Wealth ServicesHow greater control is changing staffing, technology, marketing, and the client experienceOx Road’s plans for organic growth and M&A > Download a transcript of this episode… Listen and Learn Highlights for Advisors Why four successful partners weren’t immediately aligned around independence. (12:09)Mike and Steve describe their unusually close partnership, why they make major decisions unanimously, and what happened when the prospect of leaving UBS exposed differences they had never confronted before. When a successful wirehouse practice can begin to outgrow its environment. (17:11)They explain how a desire to build an enduring enterprise, mentor the next generation, and invest more heavily in white-glove service created growing friction with the limitations of the employee model. Why the client had to come first in any decision to move. (26:25)Steve explains the principle that...
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    52 min
  • Why AI Matters Now: How a $1.5B RIA is Building the Firm of the Future

    Why AI Matters Now: How a $1.5B RIA is Building the Firm of the Future
    Aug 6 2026
    Ryan Belanger — Founder & CEO, Claro Advisors Most firms are adding AI to existing workflows. Ryan Belanger chose a different path, acquiring a fintech company and rebuilding Claro Advisors around an AI-native platform. He explains why he believes the future belongs to firms that rethink how they operate, not just the tools they use. In Summary Most firms view AI as another technology investment. Ryan Belanger sees it as a business strategy. Louis sits down with the Founder & CEO of Claro Advisors to discuss why his $1.5 billion RIA acquired a fintech company, built an AI-native operating platform, and believes the firms that gain the biggest advantage won’t simply adopt new technology—they’ll rethink how their businesses are built. The conversation also explores the broader philosophy behind that decision. Ryan shares why he’s consistently chosen unconventional paths—from recruiting younger advisors and embracing a partnership model built around ownership to investing in proprietary technology instead of relying on third-party solutions. For advisors, the bigger question isn’t simply how AI will change their workflow. It’s how it may change what it takes to build a durable, differentiated advisory firm. The Storyline Every generation of wealth management has been shaped by a different competitive advantage. For some, independence paved the way to build unique branding and a bespoke client experience. Inorganic growth and M&A gave many firms access to scale and growth. Today, many believe the next advantage will come from artificial intelligence. But simply adopting AI may not be enough. Ryan Belanger has spent his career challenging conventional thinking. He left Morgan Stanley in 2012, well before independence became mainstream. He built Claro Advisors by investing in younger advisors instead of competing for established producers. He embraced a partnership model centered on advisor ownership rather than restrictive employment structures. And when AI began reshaping the industry, he made another unconventional decision: instead of licensing another technology platform, Claro acquired a fintech company and built its own AI-native operating system. Louis explores the reasoning behind each decision and the philosophy that connects them. Ryan explains why he believes proprietary technology will become a defining competitive advantage, how Claro’s AI platform, Claire, is changing advisor workflows, and why the biggest opportunity isn’t replacing advisors; it’s giving them more time to do the work clients value most. The conversation also tackles practical questions facing every advisory firm: how to integrate AI responsibly, where human judgment continues to matter most, and why the firms best positioned for the future may be the ones willing to redesign their businesses instead of simply adding another layer of technology. Topics Covered AI-native advisory firmsAcquiring a fintech versus licensing technologyBuilding proprietary advisor technologyAdvisor productivity and workflow automationRecruiting and developing younger advisors1099 partnership model and advisor autonomyEnterprise building and long-term differentiationAI governance and advisor trustThe future of wealth management technology > Download a transcript of this episode… Listen and Learn Highlights for Advisors Why did Ryan launch independently long before it became common? (7:30) Ryan explains why leaving Morgan Stanley in 2012 wasn’t simply about independence—it was about creating a better business model while betting on himself. Why recruit emerging advisors instead of established producers? (15:00) Ryan shares why investing in younger advisors has become one of Claro’s greatest competitive advantages and succession strategies. Why would an RIA buy a technology company? (23:45) Rather than licensing another platform, Ryan explains why Claro acquired NDVR to build proprietary technology that could fundamentally change advisor workflows. How does Claire actually help advisors day-to-day? (33:00) From meeting preparation and client follow-up to portfolio management and workflow automation, Ryan walks through how AI is saving advisors meaningful time. Will AI replace advisors—or make them better? (36:30) Ryan discusses where AI belongs, where human advice remains essential, and why he believes technology should enhance – not replace – the advisor relationship. What does the advisory firm of the future look like? (38:20) Ryan shares his long-term view of how AI, proprietary technology, and advisor expectations will reshape wealth management over the next decade. Key Takeaways Ryan believes firms that build AI into the foundation of their businesses will create greater long-term differentiation than those simply adding new software.Claro’s acquisition of a fintech company reflects a strategy of owning core technology rather than relying exclusively on third-party vendors.AI is most valuable when it ...
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    48 min
  • Build, Grow & Transact: From Breakaway to Transaction in 3 Years

    Build, Grow & Transact: From Breakaway to Transaction in 3 Years
    Aug 13 2026
    Patrick Larkin, Partner & Practice Leader, Cerity Partners Three years after launching his independent RIA, Patrick Larkin merged with Cerity Partners—but not because that was the original plan. He explains how ownership changed the way he viewed enterprise value, optionality, and the future of his business. In Summary Going independent is often viewed as the destination. Patrick Larkin discovered it was just the beginning. Louis sits down with Patrick, Partner and Practice Leader at Cerity Partners and former founder of Oak Hill Wealth Advisors, to discuss an unconventional journey: leaving Wells Fargo to build an independent RIA, then choosing to merge that business just three years later. Rather than following a predetermined exit strategy, Patrick shares how ownership fundamentally changed the way he thought about enterprise value. A conversation with a prospective acquirer revealed that buyers weren’t interested in purchasing a book of business—they were looking for a business. That realization reshaped how he invested, hired, delegated, and ultimately positioned his firm for the future. The conversation from our Build Grow & Transact series also offers a candid look at life after a merger, from evaluating cultural fit and partnership to balancing autonomy with the resources of a larger organization. More broadly, it illustrates how ownership creates optionality—and why the most valuable decision an advisor makes may not be the one they originally envisioned. The Storyline After spending nearly 15 years building a successful practice at AG Edwards, Wachovia, and Wells Fargo, Patrick Larkin launched Oak Hill Wealth Advisors in 2022 with a simple objective: build a business on his own terms. Like many advisors, he expected independence to be the final destination for a long time. But then there was the realization that ownership changes more than economics; it changes perspective. And it became the beginning of an entirely different way of thinking. As acquisition inquiries arrived sooner than expected, Patrick realized something that fundamentally changed his strategy. Sophisticated buyers weren’t evaluating his client relationships as a book of business; they were evaluating Oak Hill as an enterprise. That insight shifted his priorities from maximizing short-term profitability to building a business that could thrive beyond its founder. Just three years after launching, Patrick chose to merge with Cerity Partners—not because he was looking for an exit, but because he believed it strengthened the future for his clients, his team, and his family. Louis and Patrick explore what led to that decision, how ownership increased the value of his business almost immediately, why he compares independence to an IPO, and what advisors should consider if they hope to create options for the future—even if they don’t yet know what that future looks like. Topics Covered Building enterprise value versus maximizing annual incomeCreating optionality through ownershipLeaving Wells Fargo to launch an independent RIAWhy buyers value businesses more than books of businessEvaluating strategic partners and acquisition opportunitiesThe economics of independence and business valuationLife after merging with Cerity PartnersBalancing autonomy with enterprise-scale resourcesLeadership, succession, and building beyond the founderLong-term ownership and partnership models > Download a transcript of this episode… Listen and Learn Highlights for Advisors Why did Patrick decide to leave Wells Fargo? (11:07) Patrick explains why growing frustrations around control, firm priorities, and the ability to build his business eventually outweighed the comfort of staying put. How did going independent immediately change the value of his business? (21:42) Patrick introduces one of the episode’s biggest ideas: why launching Oak Hill felt like taking a company public and how ownership increased the firm’s value almost overnight. Why did Patrick sell only three years after becoming independent? (20:03) An unexpected conversation with a prospective acquirer completely changed how he viewed enterprise value and accelerated his long-term thinking. What separates a business from a book of business? (21:42) Patrick discusses why recruiting advisors, delegating client relationships, and investing beyond himself made Oak Hill more attractive to strategic buyers. Why Cerity Partners? (26:48) Rather than focusing on valuation, Cerity emphasized culture, partnership, and long-term alignment—qualities Patrick says ultimately mattered most. What is life actually like after a merger? (37:57) Patrick offers an unusually candid perspective on autonomy, leadership, and why he says he hasn’t second-guessed the decision once. Key Takeaways Ownership creates opportunities that often aren’t visible until after independence.Enterprise value is built by creating a business that can thrive beyond its founder.The first acquisition ...
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    48 min
  • Growth Without Compromise: Building Around the Advisor Experience

    Growth Without Compromise: Building Around the Advisor Experience
    Aug 20 2026
    Shannon Spotswood – CEO, RFG Advisory Choosing a platform isn’t just about technology or economics. It’s about finding a partner that helps you build the business you actually want to own. Shannon Spotswood explains why growth without compromise starts with choosing the right partner. In Summary What should advisors really look for in a platform partner? Jason Diamond sits down with Shannon Spotswood, CEO of RFG Advisory, to discuss why the best platforms do more than provide technology and operational support—they help advisors build stronger businesses. Shannon shares lessons from helping grow RFG into one of the industry’s leading supportive independence firms, covering everything from private equity partnerships and advisor experience to enterprise value, branding, and overcoming the fear that keeps many advisors from pursuing the business they truly want. The Storyline Most advisors evaluating independence compare technology, payouts, and service offerings. Shannon Spotswood believes they’re asking the wrong first question. After spending two decades in institutional investing and later helping to rebuild RFG Advisory from the ground up, Shannon has developed a philosophy centered on partnership. She argues that the best platforms function less like vendors and more like long-term business partners, helping advisors spend more time with clients, build enterprise value, and create businesses aligned with their vision rather than forcing compromises. Jason and Shannon discuss what meaningful support actually looks like, why the right private equity partner can accelerate growth rather than restrict it, and why advisors should demand evidence – not marketing promises – when evaluating a platform. The conversation also explores one of the industry’s biggest obstacles to change: fear. Shannon explains why outdated assumptions about transitioning firms continue to prevent advisors from building businesses they enjoy, even though data suggests the experience is often far less disruptive than many believe. Ultimately, the discussion reframes independence itself—not as the destination, but as the beginning of choosing the right long-term partners. Topics Covered Evaluating advisor platforms as long-term business partnersBuilding an independent business without compromiseEnterprise value and organic growthPrivate equity as a strategic growth partnerAdvisor experience and client experienceBranding and authenticity in wealth managementOvercoming fear and transition mythsTechnology, outsourcing, and operational leverageLeadership, succession, and organizational growthThe future of supportive independence > Download a transcript of this episode… Listen and Learn Highlights for Advisors Why should advisors think of a platform as a business partner? (10:00) Shannon explains why technology and service alone aren’t enough—and why the right partner should help advisors build the business they ultimately want to own. What does “growth without compromise” actually mean? (10:00–17:30) RFG’s philosophy centers on helping advisors focus on their highest-value work while surrounding them with integrated support designed to drive enterprise value. Can private equity make a firm better? (25:00) Rather than debating whether private equity is good or bad, Shannon explains why success depends on choosing a partner whose values and long-term vision align with yours. How should advisors evaluate competing platforms? (43:00) Her advice is simple: don’t rely on marketing. Speak with advisors already using the platform and ask firms to demonstrate – not simply promise – how they solve problems. Why does fear keep so many advisors from making a change? (48:30) Shannon discusses the “PTSD” many advisors carry from outdated transition stories and why today’s reality often looks very different. What does the future of advisor platforms look like? (34:00–42:00) The conversation explores advisor demand for greater personalization, stronger brands, AI-enabled efficiency, and partners that help advisors grow without sacrificing independence. Key Takeaways The best advisor platforms function as long-term strategic partners—not simply service providers.Enterprise value grows when advisors spend more time serving clients and less time managing operations.Private equity can be highly beneficial when partners share a common vision and respect management autonomy.Advisors should evaluate firms based on demonstrated execution rather than marketing claims.Fear remains one of the biggest barriers to advisor movement despite significant improvements in transition support.Authentic branding and deeper client relationships will become increasingly important as AI reshapes wealth management. https://youtu.be/jaSt3-mO0so Quotable Moments “The right partners make you better. The wrong ones can quietly hold you back.” “Don’t tell me. Show me.” “Everything you want is on the other side of ...
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    54 min
  • Vanguard Acquires Altruist: What It Means for Advisors and the Industry

    Vanguard Acquires Altruist: What It Means for Advisors and the Industry
    Aug 27 2026
    With Louis Diamond Vanguard’s acquisition of Altruist could reshape RIA custody, bringing together Altruist’s technology with the scale, capital, and reputation of one of the industry’s best-known brands. In Summary Vanguard’s acquisition of Altruist brings one of the financial industry’s most established brands together with one of RIA custody’s fastest-growing challengers. In this Rapid Reaction Industry Update, Louis Diamond looks beyond the reported $4B+ purchase price to consider what the combination could mean for advisors—what he sees as the good news, the potentially negative outcomes, and everything in between. Altruist gains the capital, scale, and brand recognition that could help it compete more aggressively for larger RIAs and breakaway teams. Vanguard gains a technology-forward custody platform and greater access to the independent advisor channel. The larger implication may be increased competition across RIA custody. With Schwab and Fidelity controlling much of the market, a Vanguard-backed Altruist could create new pressure around technology, pricing, service, referrals, and innovation—while raising new questions about how Vanguard balances its growing advice business with its role as custodian. The Storyline RIA custody has long been dominated by Schwab and Fidelity, particularly since Schwab’s acquisition of TD Ameritrade. Altruist emerged as one of the few credible challengers, building its position around modern technology, lower costs, and an advisor-focused platform. But technology was only part of the equation. For larger breakaway teams in particular, Altruist faced another hurdle: brand recognition. Advisors could be impressed by the platform while still wondering how clients accustomed to names like Merrill, UBS, Morgan Stanley, Schwab, or Fidelity would respond to an unfamiliar custodian. Vanguard changes that equation. Louis examines why the acquisition makes strategic sense for both companies, from Vanguard’s push to expand access to financial advice to Altruist’s opportunity to operate with the backing of a well-capitalized, long-term owner. For advisors, however, the bigger story is what happens next. A stronger competitor in custody could affect everything from technology and pricing to referral opportunities and the choices available to breakaway advisors. There are also important questions still unanswered. Vanguard operates its own advice businesses. Altruist’s speed and fintech culture may be tested inside a much larger organization. And while Vanguard says Altruist will remain independent, the longer-term operating model remains to be seen. The deal may not change advisors’ options immediately. But it has the potential to change the competitive dynamics surrounding those options considerably. Topics Covered Vanguard’s acquisition of AltruistRIA custody competitionSchwab and FidelityAltruist’s technology and Hazel AIVanguard’s financial advice strategyCustodian brand recognition for breakaway advisorsAdvisor referral networksCustody and technology pricingDirect advice and custodian conflictsThe future of RIA platforms and Supportive Independence > Download a transcript of this episode… Listen and Learn Highlights for Advisors Why is the Vanguard-Altruist acquisition significant for RIA custody? (03:53)Louis explains why custody has remained highly concentrated around Schwab and Fidelity and how combining Vanguard’s scale and reputation with Altruist’s technology could create a much stronger third competitor. What problem does Vanguard potentially solve for Altruist? (05:01)Altruist has built a strong reputation among advisors for its technology, but larger breakaway teams have sometimes questioned whether clients would recognize or trust the brand. Vanguard could significantly reduce that concern. Why does buying Altruist make sense for Vanguard? (07:00)Vanguard has more than 50 million investors and has publicly discussed the need to expand access to financial advice. Louis considers how Altruist could give Vanguard both additional capacity and a stronger connection to independent advisors. What does Altruist gain from Vanguard beyond capital? (09:51)Louis discusses the significance of having a long-term, investor-owned parent rather than remaining dependent on successive rounds of venture capital, while gaining additional resources to develop custody, technology, and Hazel AI. How could this acquisition change the choices available to breakaway advisors? (12:33)The combination of Altruist’s technology with Vanguard’s brand could make the platform more viable for larger teams that previously hesitated because of client recognition and trust concerns. Could Vanguard become a meaningful source of client referrals to RIAs? (13:42)With millions of existing investors and more demand for advice than Vanguard can necessarily serve internally, Louis considers whether a future referral program ...
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    25 min
  • Why So Many Successful Advisors Feel Stuck – Best of Replay

    Why So Many Successful Advisors Feel Stuck – Best of Replay
    Sep 10 2026
    With Louis Diamond and Mindy Diamond Louis and Mindy Diamond explore why successful financial advisors can feel stuck despite thriving businesses—and how agency, enterprise value, risk, legacy, and a clear true north can help them evaluate what comes next. In Summary Successful advisors by definition have thriving businesses, loyal clients, and enviable careers—yet still wonder whether comfort has replaced energy. Louis and Mindy Diamond examine why success itself can make change harder, how the desire for agency competes with the disruption of a transition, and why record practice valuations, longer careers, and expanded optionality are prompting more advisors to question the status quo. They also offer practical questions to help advisors clarify their true north, risk tolerance, time horizon, and legacy before deciding whether to stay or explore something new. The Storyline By every external measure, top advisors today are doing exceptionally well. They have strong production, loyal clients, growing teams, and successful businesses. Yet some privately wonder why the work no longer feels as satisfying as they expected. Louis and Mindy explain that the tension is not a sign of failure. For many advisors, it appears after they have succeeded and can see another 15 or 20 years of more of the same ahead. The question becomes whether their business still gives them the agency, control, and professional energy they want. That distinction between comfort and energy can be difficult to recognize. An advisor may enjoy an excellent quality of life and a business that runs smoothly while still feeling comfortably uncomfortable. The catalyst is often not a breaking point, but a renewed desire to build, grow, create enterprise value, or leave a different legacy. Success also creates powerful reasons to stay. A healthy pipeline, loyal clients, unvested compensation, retire-in-place programs, and the short-term disruption of a transition can make change difficult to justify. At the same time, record valuations, longer careers, multigenerational teams, and a broader range of firm and affiliation models have made the opportunity cost of staying more visible. The discussion does not assume that every advisor should move. Instead, Louis and Mindy focus on how to make an intentional decision: define your true north, identify what you are trying to solve for, assess your tolerance for risk and disruption, and learn what is possible before committing to a change. Topics Covered Why successful advisors can feel stuckAgency, control, and professional satisfactionComfort versus energy in a thriving businessDefining an advisor’s true northWhen more of the same becomes a constraintFear of change versus fear of standing stillRecruiting deals, practice valuations, and enterprise valueLonger careers and multigenerational teamsRisk tolerance, disruption, and client portabilityCreating clarity without committing to a move > Download a transcript of this episode… Listen and Learn Highlights for Advisors What feels different for successful advisors today? (02:09)Mindy explains why top advisors are increasingly willing to examine the status quo as their choices expand and the value of their businesses rises. Why can objectively successful advisors still feel unsettled? (04:51)Mindy identifies agency as a central need for top advisors and explains why a loss of control can create deep frustration even when the business is performing well. What does a fire in the belly reveal? (08:22)Mindy shares the example of a highly successful wirehouse team whose interest in change comes from a desire for renewed energy and legacy, not from a final breaking point. How is being comfortable different from being energized? (11:53)Louis and Mindy explore the difference between a business that provides an excellent life and one that still feels professionally satisfying, including the feeling of being comfortably uncomfortable. When does more of the same become a constraint? (17:49)They discuss how repeating a successful formula can continue to produce results while limiting growth, ownership, or the entrepreneurial spark an advisor wants to pursue. How do advisors reconcile fear of change with fear of standing still? (27:16)Mindy and Louis explain why those competing concerns can persist for years and how a firm decision, a compelling opportunity, or a moment of personal clarity can shift the balance. Why is this question surfacing more often now? (29:48)Record valuations, elevated recruiting deals, expanded optionality, peer movement, longer careers, and next-generation needs are changing how advisors assess the cost of staying. Which questions should advisors ask before considering a move? (36:35)Mindy and Louis outline questions about true north, frustration, risk appetite, disruption, legacy, time horizon, and the regret of never testing what might be possible. Key Takeaways Success and professional fulfillment are not the same thing. An ...
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    47 min
  • Unleashing Potential: Why Capacity is an Advisor’s Biggest Competitive Advantage

    Unleashing Potential: Why Capacity is an Advisor’s Biggest Competitive Advantage
    Sep 17 2026
    Michael Kim — CEO & President, AssetMark AssetMark CEO Michael Kim explains why advisor growth increasingly depends on creating capacity—and using outsourcing, technology, and AI to spend more time where advisors add the greatest value. In Summary Growth is a priority for nearly every advisory firm. But as client expectations expand and the business of wealth management becomes more complex, growth increasingly depends on an advisor’s ability to create capacity. Jason Diamond speaks with Michael Kim, CEO and President of AssetMark, about why the strongest firms are intentional about where advisors spend their time—and equally intentional about what they delegate, outsource, or automate. Drawing on AssetMark’s work with more than 12,000 independent financial advisors, Michael shares his perspective on organic growth, outsourcing investment management, AI, client experience, scale, and the evolving role of the advisor. His central message is straightforward: Advisors can do almost anything, but they can’t do everything. Sustainable growth requires deciding where they create the greatest value and building the business around it. The Storyline Michael Kim calls himself a “growth guy.” But his definition of growth goes well beyond adding assets, buying another practice, or simply getting bigger. After working with thousands of independent advisors throughout his career at Fidelity and AssetMark, Michael sees organic growth as one of the clearest measures of the health and durability of an advisory business. And the firms that consistently achieve it tend to have something in common: They treat growth as an intentional business priority rather than something they hope will happen. That creates a more fundamental question: Where should advisors actually spend their time? Michael argues that clients increasingly value the advisor—not simply the portfolio. They want guidance around taxes, wealth transfer, estate planning, business decisions, and the broader issues surrounding their wealth. Yet delivering that level of advice requires capacity. AssetMark’s Annual Impact of Outsourcing Survey, he says, finds that advisors who outsource gain more than nine hours per week—essentially another working day. AI potentially adds another layer of leverage. Michael sees its opportunity in two areas: productivity and experience. AssetMark’s developing Talk Tracks capability, for example, uses AI to prepare potential talking points and planning opportunities before client meetings. But Michael also cautions against allowing technology to depersonalize the relationship. As clients themselves become more informed through AI, the advisor’s ability to deliver deeply personal, trusted guidance may become even more important. That brings the discussion back to growth. Advisors are increasingly both trusted counselors and business owners. Building a scalable enterprise means making deliberate decisions about technology, outsourcing, talent, client experience, and where their own time produces the greatest return. Topics Covered Organic growth in wealth managementAdvisor capacity and productivityOutsourcing investment managementAI in wealth managementAssetMark Talk TracksAdvisor client experienceThe advisor as “wealth counselor”Scaling an advisory firmFee compression and operating leverageRIA growth and independenceM&A and access to capital > Download a transcript of this episode… Listen and Learn Highlights for Advisors What separates advisory firms that consistently grow from those that plateau? (12:36)Michael says the most successful growth-oriented firms are intentional about growth. They develop a plan, experiment with new approaches, and—most importantly—execute consistently. Why does Michael consider organic growth such an important measure of an advisory business? (15:27)Organic growth is not simply about adding clients. Michael describes it as a predictor of the health and durability of the business—something that also matters to potential investors and buyers. Should investment management still be a core part of an advisor’s value proposition? (18:42)Michael argues that clients increasingly want something broader: a trusted “wealth counselor” who can help them navigate taxes, wealth transfer, estate planning, and other complex financial decisions. How much capacity can outsourcing actually create for advisors? (23:05)According to AssetMark’s Annual Impact of Outsourcing Survey, advisors who outsource report gaining more than nine hours per week. Michael argues that time can be redirected toward clients and higher-impact business activities. Where does Michael see the greatest opportunity for AI in wealth management? (25:34)He identifies two areas: productivity and experience. AssetMark is embedding AI into advisor workflows, including its Talk Tracks capability designed to surface insights and potential planning conversations before client meetings. Could AI make the ...
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    49 min
  • Build, Grow & Transact: David Bahnsen on Building a $10.5B Business Worth Selling

    Build, Grow & Transact: David Bahnsen on Building a $10.5B Business Worth Selling
    Sep 24 2026
    David Bahnsen, Founder & Managing Partner, The Bahnsen Group From $600mm to $10.5B, David Bahnsen built The Bahnsen Group almost entirely through organic growth. He shares the decisions behind that growth, the value of reinvesting in the business, and why selling to longtime partner Hightower became the right next step. In Summary David Bahnsen left Morgan Stanley in 2015 with eight people and $600mm in client assets, motivated less by dissatisfaction than by what he calls being “intoxicated by the idea of freedom.” Eleven years later, The Bahnsen Group has grown to $10.5B in assets, 106 employees, and 13 offices—with virtually all of that expansion driven organically. But the more instructive story is how that growth happened. David explains how original content and thought leadership became a powerful source of new business, why attracting clients only matters if the firm can deliver an experience that keeps them, and how continual reinvestment in people, tax, planning, investment management, and family office services helped turn a founder-led practice into a national enterprise. He also shares the thinking behind his decision to sell The Bahnsen Group to Hightower after more than a decade of working within its ecosystem. The transaction gives the firm greater resources for technology, HR, supervision, and future inorganic growth while allowing David to maintain control over the brand, P&L, strategy, and client experience. The Storyline When David Bahnsen first appeared on the Diamond Podcast in April 2020, The Bahnsen Group was five years removed from its Morgan Stanley breakaway and had grown from $600mm to roughly $2B. Today, the firm manages $10.5B across 13 offices with more than 100 employees. The numbers are notable, but David’s approach to building the business provides the real lessons. Rather than pursue acquisitions, The Bahnsen Group built an organic growth engine around content, thought leadership, and a distinct investment philosophy. David’s Dividend Cafe now reaches roughly 35,000 subscribers organically, but he is clear that attracting prospective clients was only half of the equation. The firm continually invested in the people, capabilities, and services necessary to deliver on what the content promised. That philosophy extended to how David structured the business. He chose to keep functions that created what Louis describes as “surplus value” inside the firm while relying on Hightower for areas such as supervision, regulatory support, and technology. At the same time, David resisted the temptation to maximize current margins, instead investing in advisor capacity, planning, tax, investment management, family office capabilities, and infrastructure. The result was a business with significant organic growth and enterprise value. Now the story enters its transact phase. After years of operating within Hightower’s ecosystem, David agreed to sell The Bahnsen Group to Hightower. Yet the transaction is less an endpoint than another evolution of the model: Hightower becomes owner while David retains substantial operating autonomy and gains resources to professionalize the firm further and supplement its organic growth with carefully selected acquisitions. It’s the full Build, Grow & Transact arc—and an example of what can happen when independence is treated as the beginning of building a business rather than the destination. Topics Covered How The Bahnsen Group grew from $600mm to $10.5BBuilding an organic growth engine through content and thought leadershipWhy attracting clients is only the beginning of sustainable growthReinvesting profits to build long-term enterprise valueCreating advisor capacity without sacrificing the client relationshipDeciding what capabilities to own versus outsourceWhy maximizing margins can limit the business you ultimately buildThe evolution of David’s relationship with HightowerWhy Hightower became the natural buyer of The Bahnsen GroupPreserving autonomy and continuity after a transactionBalancing organic growth with future acquisitionsWhy independence can be a starting point rather than an end goal > Download a transcript of this episode… Listen and Learn Highlights for Advisors Why freedom – not dissatisfaction – drove the breakaway. [04:44]David explains why he left Morgan Stanley despite being successful and well served there. The appeal was ownership: the ability to control how the business operated, how clients were served, and what the firm could ultimately become. How authentic content became an organic growth engine. [09:34]What began as written market updates during the 2008 financial crisis eventually evolved into Dividend Cafe, books, television, podcasts, and other thought leadership. David explains why the content works precisely because attracting clients was never its primary purpose. Why attracting clients isn’t enough. [15:59]A strong content engine can create interest, but the business still needs ...
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    58 min