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The DRIFT Transitions Podcast

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How is it that societies can plot the same course for years and years and then suddenly change at lightning speed? And why do sustainable innovations seem to pop up everywhere, while so few of them truly break through? To understand this, perhaps a new perspective on fundamental change can help. If we want to grasp how our society can truly transform, we must look at it through the lens of transition thinking. In this show, Wouter Mulders and a rotating cast of colleagues speak to a number of theoretical and practical experts about transition science. Because by understanding transitions toward sustainability and justice, we can also accelerate them—or at least, that’s what we hope. The DRIFT Transitions Podcast is produced by DRIFT, the Dutch Research Institute for Transitions, part of Erasmus University Rotterdam in the Netherlands.©Erasmus University Rotterdam Science
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  • Teaching to live with the truth of collapse, with Ginie Servant-Miklos
    Jul 27 2026

    Decoupling and techno-optimism be damned, there is a harsh biophysical reality behind our energy and climate crisis: we're fucking fucked. What does it means to teach that truth to students, and what should you teach after you've taught that truth?

    In this episode, Wouter Mulders and Mayte Beekman talk to Ginie Servant-Miklos about education under collapse. Ginie is an Associate Professor of at Erasmus University Rotterdam, director of the Bildung Climate School and the author of Pedagogies of Collapse. Societal collapse represents the most fundamental change imaginable, so that should be of interest to transition makers all around. But she also argues that there's a hidden psychological side as well: phone addiction, substance use, and the slow, grinding "small-t trauma" of a system that leaves little room to cope.

    The conversation also turns a critical eye on insular academia itself, including spaces like DRIFT. She makes a case for "imperfect solidarity": staying engaged with people whose politics or circumstances don't match your own, rather than retreating into like-minded bubbles. The result is less a doom-laden forecast than a practical philosophy: tell people the truth, then give them the tools to build a meaningful life within it.

    Useful links:
    - About the Bildung Climate School: https://www.bildungclimateschool.com/
    - About Ginie's book, Pedagogies of Collapse: https://www.education4socialchange.com/book-pedagogies-of-collapse
    - The start of the episode mentions the upcoming online, international edition of our long-running Transition Management course. If you'd like to be kept up to date on registration for this course, please leave your details here: https://forms.cloud.microsoft/e/CYxmnsJzzB

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    39 min
  • #2: The promise of hybridisation (with RESHARE)
    Apr 23 2026

    After we've spent the first of these two RESHARE episode in a literal living lab that also does a little bit of mobility sharing in Oslo, Norway, we thought it best to speak to experts who were looking at similar initiatives across Europe. How can we mix shared housing and mobility in less densely populated areas?

    We hear from Paola Pucci and Giovanni Lanza from the Politecnico di Milano. These researchers are composing an atlas of accessibility practices. In doing so, they are finding ways in which the commons can come through to make mobility become more resilient and sustainable, even when the individuals involved have different aims.

    But commoning is not a ready-made cure-all. In places where realizing mobility and accessibility is not considered viable for state and market actors, you might think that the community will automatically step up. But community initiatives can struggle with a lack of capital as well. So often, the smart move for initiatives is not to ignore companies and governments, but to team up. And in their atlas, Paola and Giovanni have included some prime examples where the housing domain can help out shared mobility initiatives.

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    This podcast was produced as part of the Reshare Project, with funding from the Research Council of Norway. DRIFT has worked on RESHARE together with the Norwegian University of Life Sciences (NMBU) and the Institute of Transport Economics (TOI). To learn more, go to https://www.nmbu.no/en/research/projects/reshare

    Special thanks to: Marius Kooij for editing, Walvisnest for music, Audrey Wientjes for voice-over and Emil Beemer and Floor van den Elzen for feedback and support.


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    23 min
  • #1: Manifesting a future full of sharing (with RESHARE)
    Apr 16 2026

    A meal, a toolkit or... salt? What was the last time you shared something with your neighbors? In the first of two episodes made possible by the RESHARE project, The DRIFT Transitions podcast goes to Oslo to explore the promise of shared housing an mobility.

    Because what if we could greatly accelerate shared mobility, which is key for future transport systems that don't break the planet and ruin where we live, by combining it with a way of living in which we are less isolated and more connected?

    We talk to Emilia Wigum of OBOS Living Lab about their experiments with shared forms of housing to bolster community care and sustainability initiatives. With looming crises, rising prices and demographic changes imminent, she dreams of cities and communities that work more like a living lab, experimenting with flexible and shared housing and mobility.

    We then hear from Tanu Priya Uteng, senior researcher at the Institute of Transport Economics and RESHARE project leader. She argues that there are huge benefits to connecting how we design and use housing and mobility. But, warns Tanu, where there's a value for the collective, yet the responsibility rests on individual shoulders, finer-grained rules and incentives are needed to make the leap, otherwise we get stuck.

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    This podcast was produced as part of the Reshare Project, with funding from the Research Council of Norway. DRIFT has worked on RESHARE together with the Norwegian University of Life Sciences (NMBU) and the Institute of Transport Economics (TOI). To learn more, go to https://www.nmbu.no/en/research/projects/reshare

    Special thanks to: Marius Kooij for editing, Walvisnest for music, Audrey Wientjes for voice-over and Emil Beemer and Floor van den Elzen for feedback and support.

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    31 min
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