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That's What She Said

That's What She Said

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That's What She Said is a women's podcast for women of every generation, featuring honest conversations, real-life stories, and earned wisdom from everyday women. Many of the guests are Gen X, midlife, and older women whose experiences, insights, and voices deserve more space, not less.2026 Relations Sciences sociales
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  • Career Visibility for Women: Stop Waiting to Be Chosen (Shantel Love)

    Career Visibility for Women: Stop Waiting to Be Chosen (Shantel Love)
    Jul 14 2026
    If you have the talent, experience, results, and work ethic—but still feel overlooked—Shantel Love believes the problem may not be your ability. It may be your visibility. Self-promotion for women is often treated like arrogance. Women are encouraged to work hard, remain humble, and trust that the right person will eventually recognize their contribution. But hard work does not always speak for itself. Sometimes it sits quietly while someone else receives the credit, promotion, opportunity, or paycheck. Shantel is a global vice president at Pearson, an international speaker, bestselling author, and creator of Promote Your Damn Self. Her journey began in poverty in Detroit, where she was raised by a mother who had her at 15 and worked for decades without meaningful financial advancement. Shantel did not have a clear model of the success she wanted. But she knew the life around her was not the only one available. She pursued education, placed herself in unfamiliar rooms, asked direct questions, and learned from people whose lives expanded her understanding of what was possible. She also learned that the experiences society suggested she should hide were not liabilities. They were training. Growing up with limited resources taught her to stretch budgets, solve problems creatively, and produce results with less. Those same skills now help her manage major corporate budgets, create cost-reduction strategies, and lead global teams. In this conversation, Shantel and Dr. Robin Buckley explore how women can identify the professional value inside experiences they routinely dismiss. Managing a home can develop budgeting, negotiation, planning, crisis management, and leadership skills. Surviving instability can build adaptability. Being the first in a family or organization can create courage, perspective, and resourcefulness. The skill is learning how to position those experiences in language other people understand. Shantel's PAID framework begins with positioning your value, amplifying your work, inviting people into opportunities to collaborate or advance you, and delivering on the expectations you create. That means documenting your accomplishments, researching compensation, building relationships with decision-makers, and directly asking for the opportunity instead of relying on passive promotion. Shantel has practiced that philosophy throughout her life. After being rejected from every graduate program she applied to, she went directly to the school she most wanted to attend and contested the decision. She arrived with performance records, recommendations, evidence of her academic growth, and a clear argument for why the admissions data did not reflect her potential. She left with conditional acceptance, a scholarship, and a mentor. The episode also examines the difference between self-promotion rooted in ego and self-promotion rooted in self-respect. Ego relies on vague claims and entitlement. Self-respect arrives with facts, evidence, results, and a clear understanding of the value being offered. In This Episode, We Talk About: Self-promotion for women and why excellent work is not always enoughTurning adversity into professional value instead of hiding your backgroundPositioning and amplifying accomplishments through Shantel's PAID frameworkAsking for promotions, compensation, and opportunities with facts rather than emotionBuilding a personal brand without pretending to be someone elsePracticing career conversations in trusted women's networksReplacing code-switching with authenticity when your environment allows itLeading with empathy, trust, and accountability across a global organization Shantel also shares her approach to leadership. She manages a global team of approximately 300 people and believes peak performance begins by remembering that employees are human beings. Empathy does not mean tolerating mediocrity. It means creating the trust, safety, and connection that allow people to contribute ideas, disagree respectfully, grow their skills, and perform at a high level. Her advice to women is direct: stop carrying other people's opinions as though they are facts. Decide what you believe about your own value—and start collecting the evidence to support it. This conversation is for the woman who is tired of being underpaid, underrecognized, or underestimated despite consistently delivering excellent work. So if you've ever felt overlooked, struggled to talk about your accomplishments, or wondered how to own your value without becoming someone you are not… this episode's for you. You'll want more from Shantel: Website Promote Your Damn Self (book)
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    48 min
  • Nonlinear Career Growth for Women: How to Build Experience, Influence, and Opportunity (Shanna Deng)

    Nonlinear Career Growth for Women: How to Build Experience, Influence, and Opportunity (Shanna Deng)
    Jul 7 2026
    If you have ever looked at your career and worried that you were behind because the path moved sideways, paused, or briefly went backward, Shanna Deng wants you to reconsider what progress actually looks like. Careers are not built only through promotions and titles. They are built through experiences. Shanna is a senior executive at CooperSurgical, a company focused on advancing care for women, babies, and families. Her career did not follow a clean corporate staircase. She moved between internal roles, consulting, team leadership, strategic planning, organizational restructuring, global marketing, and sales before reaching the executive level. Each move added range. In this conversation, Shanna and Dr. Robin Buckley explore nonlinear career growth for women and why time spent in a role matters less than the experiences gained while doing it. A woman can remain in one job for five years and learn very little—or spend one year managing a reorganization, leading a global project, presenting to senior executives, and solving problems she has never seen before. The goal is not simply to stay long enough for someone to promote you. It is to identify the skills missing from your professional story and deliberately seek opportunities to build them. Shanna recommends raising your hand, asking for projects, finding mentors beyond your direct manager, and requesting honest feedback from people who regularly see your work. That feedback may be uncomfortable, but empty praise does not help anyone improve. Earlier in her leadership career, Shanna was told she could be intimidating. The feedback felt personal because she also knew herself as playful, goofy, and deeply relational. Instead of erasing her intensity, she learned to balance it with warmth and humor. The lesson was not to become someone else, but to understand which parts of herself were most useful in different environments. The episode also examines how career decisions interact with motherhood. Shanna spent five years consulting while raising young children. The move temporarily removed some of the security of corporate employment, but it gave her flexibility, new marketing experiences, and more time with her family. It was not necessarily the fastest route to her next title. It was the right structure for that stage of her life. She and her husband also made an intentional plan for parenting. They discussed their ambitions early, identified which career would take priority during specific periods, established a timeline, moved closer to family, and designed childcare around their actual needs rather than accepting one standard model. When Shanna's career accelerated, her husband became the primary parent and later built a part-time business. They divided responsibilities according to their strengths: Shanna often created the strategy, and he executed the plan. That same strategic thinking influenced one of Shanna's most important salary negotiations. After being promoted to vice president, she learned she was earning only slightly more than someone reporting to her. She researched comparable compensation, calculated what her family would need for her husband to step away from full-time work, and presented the company with a clear business case. If the company increased her salary, she would have greater flexibility to travel, lead, and meet the demands of the position. They agreed. In This Episode, We Talk About: Nonlinear career growth for women and why sideways moves can build essential experienceSeeking honest feedback from peers, mentors, and colleagues beyond your direct managerBalancing authenticity and leadership presence without becoming someone you are notUsing consulting or flexible work during demanding stages of motherhoodDesigning parenting roles intentionally instead of assuming the mother must remain on callNegotiating salary with evidence and connecting compensation to business valueRecognizing when a job or culture no longer fitsAdvocating for women's healthcare and teaching younger women to understand and trust their bodies Shanna also challenges women to stop tolerating the belief that a difficult job will eventually improve when someone else changes. A new manager, raise, or reorganization may help—but waiting indefinitely gives away control. If the role consistently feels wrong and you cannot identify a realistic path for changing it, the answer may be to choose something different. This conversation is for the woman who feels behind, underpaid, overlooked, or torn between professional ambition and family life. So if you've ever felt anxious about a nonlinear career, struggled to advocate for your value, or wondered whether you could design success differently… this episode's for you. You'll want more from Shanna: CooperSurgical LinkedIn
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    51 min
  • Clarity Over Confidence: How Women Can Focus on What Actually Matters (Carol Kabaale)

    Clarity Over Confidence: How Women Can Focus on What Actually Matters (Carol Kabaale)
    Jun 30 2026
    A lot of women are exhausted—not because they are doing the wrong things, but because they are carrying too many things that were never theirs to manage. The pressure to perform, help, anticipate, stay available, and keep everyone happy can make a full life feel like a failing one. You are constantly busy, but the work that actually matters never seems to move. Carol Kabaale believes the answer is not more confidence. It is clarity. Carol began her career in hospitality, where she learned to solve problems quickly and keep complicated operations moving. Eventually, she realized she was not simply handling daily emergencies. She was identifying patterns and creating systems. That insight led her into marketing and her work as a fractional chief marketing officer, helping businesses replace confusion and constant activity with strategy, structure, and measurable action. In this conversation, Carol and Dr. Robin Buckley explore how women can stop overthinking and feeling overwhelmed by questioning what they have automatically agreed to carry. Carol spent years trying to be the perfect employee, wife, daughter, business owner, and friend. She arrived early, stayed late, overdelivered, and gave more than clients had asked for. Eventually, she realized she was attempting to serve everyone from an empty cup. Learning to say no did not happen through one bold transformation. It began with small moments: pausing before automatically agreeing, asking someone she trusted to help her word a boundary, and allowing herself to hold her ground without writing a lengthy explanation. Carol recommends starting with support. Ask a friend, mentor, partner, or AI tool to help you draft the message until saying no becomes more natural. The episode also examines the difference between being busy and making progress. Carol loves a list and the satisfaction of checking off tasks. But when she committed to finding work as a fractional CMO, she realized much of her activity—writing captions, adjusting content, organizing small details—was not bringing her closer to the actual goal. She created a 30-day plan, reverse-engineered the outcome she wanted, and followed the daily actions even when they felt uncomfortable. By day 28, she had an offer. The lesson was simple: the tasks that feel productive are not always the ones that create movement. Carol also shares how systems can reduce the mental load. A system is simply a repeatable decision about how something will happen. It might mean working only in one room, planning goals with a partner, dividing responsibilities at home, creating a routine, or identifying the few daily actions that support a larger goal. Good systems create calm because they reduce how many decisions you must remake every day. But perhaps the most damaging mental load comes from solving imagined problems. Carol recognized that she routinely created multiple negative scenarios before anything had happened. When she sent a longtime client a larger-than-usual invoice, she imagined objections, conflict, judgment, and damage to the relationship. She considered lowering the price and overdelivering to compensate. Then she sent the invoice and went to sleep. The client paid it without a question. Every problem had existed only in Carol's mind. In This Episode, We Talk About: How to stop overthinking and feeling overwhelmedSetting boundaries without overexplaining or apologizingRecognizing busyness that is not creating real progressBuilding systems that make work, home, and relationships easier to manageSeparating capacity from responsibilityDelegating tasks instead of believing everything must come from youSolving observable problems rather than imagined onesCreating different kinds of friendships instead of expecting one person to meet every need Carol also encourages women to give themselves permission to imagine what they genuinely want. Her starting point is simple: visualize the life, audit what already works, and choose one area to improve. That improvement does not have to begin with a new house, new career, or dramatic transformation. It may begin with a red lip, new underwear, a clearer workspace, an honest no, or ten minutes spent defining the life you are trying to create. This conversation is for the woman whose mind is constantly racing ahead, managing everyone's needs and preparing for problems that may never arrive. So if you've ever felt overwhelmed by everything you carry, struggled to separate productivity from busyness, or wondered how to create more clarity and calm… this episode's for you.
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    44 min
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