J&P get into whether staying busy actually helps recovery, why DSRs can feel both useful and completely maddening, and what it means to tell on yourself before your ego gets too comfortable. They also talk forgiveness as a choice, resentment as poison, and Jonathan’s very real temper tantrum over a nursery footstool. Plus: cinematic addicts, Taco Bell burrito trauma, The Power of Now, and the deeply spiritual struggle of not saying the closing catchphrase.

Jonathan and Pasha recap the Sumas retreat, from the very specific chaos of trying to save a variety show with almost no acts to Jonathan leaving early to get home to his wife and screaming baby. They get into recruiting people off the trail, Pasha's red-bandana intimidation strategy, and why Mike K and Thomas completely stole the show with their fake phone-coordinator bit. They also talk about the weird freedom of being around people who already know your worst stuff, what happens when guys keep relapsing, and why hearing "go to God" can still be maddening when you want actual instructions.

Kent joins Pasha and Jonathan at the Sumas retreat to talk about being openly gay in SA, why he tells guys to get sober first and sort out the rest later, and how recovery changed the way he sees his wife and their marriage. They get into early-recovery anger, saying the Serenity Prayer in Home Depot, what it was like for Kent to walk into a room full of men, and the tension around who feels welcome in the fellowship. Kent also shares some great stories about working with David Maynard, including the simple rule that told you whether he was really your sponsor: call every day.

Mahmood joins Pasha and Jonathan from the spring retreat in Sumas to talk about what happens when recovery gets harder instead of easier - scared sober, subtle drift, close calls, and why old-timer relapse stories hit so hard. They get into problem meetings vs. solution meetings, what it looks like when a wife is working her own program too, and the weird little moments when lust starts whispering again. Also: YouTube hooks, bad dreams, calling 50 people ugly, and a completely serious recovery lesson from Harry Potter.

Pasha shares the ego-deflating amend where he found out people were making fun of his "gangster" phase, plus the high-school rap battle win he's absolutely not over. Then he and Jonathan get into firing a sponsee, whether sponsors can quietly become higher powers, and why AA feels a little different from SA—along with AI voice temptations, boba, and one very loaded arm touch at Al-Anon. Somewhere between all the rabbit trails, they land on a surprisingly honest question about where people end and God begins.