In this episode of Quest 2 the C.O.R.E., Jonna and Simple dive into the "zone of optimal learning," that sweet spot where curiosity meets challenge, and growth takes root. This space lives between not knowing and knowing, where confusion isn't a sign of failure but a signal that real learning is happening. Whether you're trying to level up, lead others, or create better learning experiences, this episode will challenge how you think about learning and why the messy middle is where the magic happens.

In this episode of Quest 2 the C.O.R.E., Jonna and Simone unpack one of the most misunderstood truths about leadership: it's not about what you do, it's about who you are. Through an honest and reflective conversation, they explore the internal journey of leadership, inviting listeners to consider the difference between being a leader and simply doing leadership tasks.

With themes of self-awareness, emotional intelligence, and presence, Simone and Jonna challenge the idea that leadership requires a title. Instead, they offer a more powerful lens: leadership is claimed from the inside out. Whether you're managing a team or leading by example in everyday life, this episode will help you reconnect with the essence of true leadership.

You'll walk away with:

• A deeper understanding of what it means to lead from your being, not just your doing
• Why presence, values, and self-reflection are central to effective leadership
• Practical questions to help you notice when you've slipped into "doing mode"
• A reminder that leadership can be felt - before it's ever formally recognized

In Episode 2 of Quest 2 the CORE, Simone and Jonna explore how great leadership depends not just on what we think, but how we think. Drawing from the HBR article "The 4 Types of Thinking Leaders Need to Practice - and Teach," they break down four essential thinking modes: Expert, Critical, Strategic, and Systems Thinking.

Each mode is paired with practical tools, real-life examples, and ties to the CORE leadership framework.

The hosts challenge listeners to reflect on their own thinking habits: "Which type of thinking do I rely on most - and which do I avoid?" Because how we think shapes how we lead. And expanding our thinking expands our impact.